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ramki Krishnan <ramk@Brocade.com> Wed, 24 April 2013 23:40 UTC

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From: ramki Krishnan <ramk@Brocade.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:40:29 -0700
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Thanks Brian, agreed.

Thanks,
Ramki

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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Call for adoption, draft-krishnan-opsawg-large-flow-load-balancing/

On 25/04/2013 10:09, Randy Bush wrote:
>> I came to the attention of the Chairs and the ADs during the call for 
>> adoption that an IPR disclosure was likely pending on this draft. It 
>> has since transpired.
>>
>> The disclosure can be reviewed here.
>>
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&id_document_tag=draft-krishnan-opsawg-large-flow-load-balancing.
>>
>> In my opinion this is bit late frankly but short of 6701 remedy 
>> territory.  I have asked the chairs to extend the current call for 
>> additional time (which they should chime in on), and I would ask that 
>> if the disclosure alters you opinion of the document that you please 
>> make your concerns known.
>>
>> I'd like to thank the authors for their candor, and the chairs for 
>> bringing this to our attention.
> 
> i sent a concerned private email to some folk.  one replied
> 
>     The authors have indicated that the stuff on which they've filed the
>     patent application is not the only mechanism that can be used for
>     large flow detection - i.e. this can be implemented without using
>     their to-be-encumbered technology.
> 
> if this is the case, why not simply remove the to-be-encumbered 
> technology from the document?

I agree; it's not worth the pain, for an example algorithm in an Informational document. (The same goes for
draft-krishnan-ipfix-flow-aware-packet-sampling.)

    Brian
> 
> otherwise, we potentially will waste a lot of time over this ipr claim.
> 
> randy
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