Re: [OPSAWG] WG consensus call for the IANA early assignment //RE: Adoption poll for draft-lear-ietf-netmod-mud-04

[Kent Watsen <[e-mail]>]

I didn’t know that, thanks for the clarification.  I retract my comment.

But I wonder then, if they are temporary and reclaimed, will Elliot’s goal be achieved?  - or is it the case that the temporary assignments can become permanent through the RFC process? - an optimistic long-term allocation?

Thanks,
Kent


On 8/29/16, 4:39 PM, "Warren Kumari" <[e-mail]> wrote:

    ... and just as a reminder to the WG, early allocations are explicitly
    temporary, and are marked in the registry as such.
    
    This isn't burning a critical resource forever - the allocations
    spaces are not very rare, and they can be reclaimed if needed...
    
    W
    
    On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Eliot Lear <[e-mail]> wrote:
    > Yes, there is.  And Early assignment is not an unusual request.  See RFC
    > 7120.
    >
    >
    > On 8/25/16 10:01 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > I don’t know.  It seems that every draft could make similar claims, and yet
    > having IANA make early assignments all the time wouldn’t be good.   I don’t
    > see why this draft should get a pass.   Is there any documentation detailing
    > criteria for early assignments?
    >
    >
    >
    > Kent
    >
    >
    >
    > From: Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>
    > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 2:36 PM
    > To: Kent Watsen <[e-mail]>, Zhoutianran <[e-mail]>,
    > Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>
    > Cc: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]"
    > <[e-mail]>
    > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG consensus call for the IANA early assignment //RE:
    > Adoption poll for draft-lear-ietf-netmod-mud-04
    >
    >
    >
    > Hi Kent,
    >
    > We're doing some open source and would like to make it easier for those who
    > are coding to have to do a little less REcoding.  I doubt very much we're
    > going to see much change in the content or format the URL or the option.
    > That's what most of the requests are for.  Where I expect we will see change
    > is in the content of the YANG file.  There we have the option to bump the
    > version # in the URL if we think there has been any real uptake of earlier
    > versions.
    >
    > Fair enough?
    >
    > Eliot
    >
    >
    >
    > On 8/25/16 7:27 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Why is an early assignment being requested?   I think it unusual, especially
    > for a draft that was just adopted, and no justification is given for why
    > it’s needed other than “to assist with interoperable development”...
    >
    >
    >
    > Kent
    >
    >
    >
    > From: OPSAWG <[e-mail]> on behalf of Zhoutianran
    > <[e-mail]>
    > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:46 AM
    > To: Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>, Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>
    > Cc: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]"
    > <[e-mail]>
    > Subject: [OPSAWG] WG consensus call for the IANA early assignment //RE:
    > Adoption poll for draft-lear-ietf-netmod-mud-04
    >
    >
    >
    > Hi All,
    >
    >
    >
    > Since the authors of the draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-00 asked for the early
    > assignment for various registries from IANA, I would like to ask the WG
    > consensus.
    >
    >
    >
    > There will be 1 week since today. You can express your support or objection.
    >
    >
    >
    > If there is no objection, I would like to request from the WG.
    >
    >
    >
    > The following is a list of IANA considerations copied from the draft.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Tianran
    >
    >
    >
    > -------------------------------------
    >
    >
    >
    > 15.  IANA Considerations
    >
    >
    >
    > 15.1.  DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 Options
    >
    >
    >
    >    IANA is requested to allocated the DHCPv4 and v6 options as specified
    >
    >    in Section 9.
    >
    >
    >
    > 15.2.  PKIX Extensions
    >
    >
    >
    >    The IANA is requested to assign a value for id-pe-mud-uri in the "SMI
    >
    >    Security for PKIX Certificate Extension" Registry.  Its use is
    >
    >    specified in Section 10.
    >
    >
    >
    > 15.3.  Well Known URI Suffix
    >
    >
    >
    >    The IANA is requested to register the URL suffix of "mud" as follows:
    >
    >
    >
    >    o URI Suffix: "mud" o Specification documents: this document o
    >
    >    Related information: n/a
    >
    >
    >
    > 15.4.  MIME Media-type Registration for MUD files
    >
    >
    >
    >    The following media-type is defined for transfer of MUD file:
    >
    >
    >
    >    o Type name: application
    >
    >    o Subtype name: mud+json
    >
    >    o Required parameters: n/a
    >
    >    o Optional parameters: n/a
    >
    >    o Encoding considerations: 8bit; application/mud+json values
    >
    >      are represented as a JSON object; UTF-8 encoding SHOULD be
    >
    >      employed.
    >
    >    o Security considerations: See {{secon}} of this document.
    >
    >    o Interoperability considerations: n/a
    >
    >    o Published specification: this document
    >
    >    o Applications that use this media type: MUD controllers as
    >
    >      specified by this document.
    >
    >    o Fragment identifier considerations: n/a
    >
    >    o Additional information:
    >
    >
    >
    >        Magic number(s): n/a
    >
    >        File extension(s): n/a
    >
    >        Macintosh file type code(s): n/a
    >
    >
    >
    >    o Person & email address to contact for further information:
    >
    >      Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>, Ralph Droms <[e-mail]>
    >
    >    o Intended usage: COMMON
    >
    >    o Restrictions on usage: none
    >
    >
    >
    >    o Author: Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>, Ralph Droms <[e-mail]>
    >
    >    o Change controller: IESG
    >
    >    o Provisional registration? (standards tree only): No.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > 15.5.  LLDP IANA TLV Subtype Registry
    >
    >
    >
    >    IANA is requested to create a new registry for IANA Link Layer
    >
    >    Discovery Protocol (LLDP) TLV subtype values.  The recommended policy
    >
    >    for this registry is Expert Review.  The maximum number of entries in
    >
    >    the registry is 256.
    >
    >
    >
    >    IANA is required to populate the initial registry with the value:
    >
    >
    >
    >    LLDP subtype value = 1
    >
    >
    >
    >    Description = the Manufacturer Usage Description (MUD) Uniform
    >
    >    Resource Locator (URL)
    >
    >
    >
    >    Reference = < this document >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > From: Eliot Lear [mailto:[e-mail]]
    > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 7:04 PM
    > To: Warren Kumari
    > Cc: Zhoutianran; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
    > Subject: Re: Adoption poll for draft-lear-ietf-netmod-mud-04
    >
    >
    >
    > Hi Warren, Tianran, and all,
    >
    >
    >
    > On 8/17/16 4:17 PM, Warren Kumari wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Second, and hopefully not that more of a controversy, I would like to
    > request early IANA assignments to assist with interoperable
    > development.  These would be listed in the IANA considerations section
    > of the current draft.  If we need a WG draft to make this happen, that's
    > fine with me, but we should do a quick rev after the assignments.
    >
    >
    >
    > I believe that this *can* be accomplished without it being a WG doc, but it
    > is better / cleaner / easier if we make it a WG doc and then ask for early
    > assistant. We are fine with lots of revisions / it being submitted and then
    > quickly revised.
    >
    >
    > Just following up on this point: we'd like to request early assignment from
    > IANA for the various registries.  Does that go through the chairs or the
    > authors at this point?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Eliot
    >
    >
    >
    >
    
    
    
    -- 
    I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
    idea in the first place.
    This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
    regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
    of pants.
       ---maf