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Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com> Wed, 17 May 2017 02:27 UTC

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From: Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com>
To: Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com>, Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: "Douglas Gash (dcmgash)" <dcmgash@cisco.com>, "opsawg@ietf.org" <opsawg@ietf.org>, "ops-ads@ietf.org" <ops-ads@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alan DeKok
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:23 AM
> To: Ignas Bagdonas
> Cc: Douglas Gash (dcmgash); opsawg@ietf.org; ops-ads@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status
> and Plans
> 
> On May 16, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>    I don't see how reviews (which were ignored) can be construed as "no
> evidence" that the authors were ignoring reviews.
> >>
> >>   Which was my point.  If document authors issue new revs irrespective
> of what the WG suggests, the chairs should replace the authors with ones
> who work towards WG consensus.
> >
> > No-one has seen the -07 revision yet, therefore it seems to be too early
> to make judgement whether comments and suggestions were or were not addressed.
> Authors have promised to address the raised comments discussing them on
> the list and responding to previous reviews.
> 
>   My comments (again) were that there was a history of ignoring the reviews.
> At the time I made that comment, it was true.  I find it troubling to see
> a response saying there's "no evidence" of such a problem.
 
Hi Alan,

Your reviews are appreciated. Via diff, I saw many of your comments are reflected in the 06 version. 
But the authors should have discussed your comments in the mailing list and gotten consensus on the revision.
Now, they are back on the right track. See Doug's latest post.
Let's back to the I-D discussion. ;-)

Regards,
Tianran


> >>   The alternative is to accept a draft as a WG document, and then to allow
> the authors to do pretty much whatever they want, and then to rubber-stamp
> the final document as an RFC.
> >
> > That is not how the IETF works. I fail to see what else could be commented
> here.
> 
>   I'm saying until I complained, that *was* largely the process being used
> in this WG.
> 
>   Alan DeKok.
> 
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