Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark
Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@gmail.com> Sun, 24 March 2024 18:51 UTC
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 14:49:47 -0400
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark
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Many thanks Thomas and Alex, both for the support, as well as for the useful suggestions. Alex, “on-path” is much more descriptive than “in-band” for sure! Thomas, Alex, will send an iteration of the draft incorporating the Node Type suggestion. (BTW, I think you meant rfc9197 or rfc9359 instead of rfc 9398?) Thanks! Carlos. > On Mar 18, 2024, at 2:55 AM, Alex Huang Feng <alex.huang-feng@insa-lyon.fr> wrote: > > Dear Carlos and Adrian, > > As I said in the chat during the OPSAWG meeting, I also support this document. > I don’t have a lot of specific examples of how the terminology are confusing, but I am co-authoring draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-on-path-telemetry where it started as an inband telemetry protocol and then we were asked to change this terminology to “on-path telemetry protocol”. > Also I haven’t been able to find a clear formal definition of “on-path telemetry protocol”. > > Thanks for the document, > Alex > >> On 18 Mar 2024, at 15:32, Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com wrote: >> >> Dear Carlos and Adrian, >> >> As the author of draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-on-path-telemetry, I care and value that you are defining OAM terminology. This is much needed. Count me on the list of people who misused the term inband previously. >> >> I would appreciate of you could add also OAM node type. As an example in RFC 9398 for IOAM the following types are defined >> >> IOAM encapsulation node >> IOAM transit node >> IOAM decapsulation node >> >> It would be very useful to have an OAM protocol agnostic terminology. >> >> Best wishes >> Thomas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSAWG mailing list >> OPSAWG@ietf.org <mailto:OPSAWG@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >
- [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-questi… Thomas.Graf
- Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-qu… Alex Huang Feng
- Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-qu… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-qu… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [OPSAWG] draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-qu… Carlos Pignataro