Re: [OSPF] Adoption of "Single Hop MANET Interface" as WG Document

"Henderson, Thomas R" <thomas.r.henderson@boeing.com> Wed, 11 May 2011 22:59 UTC

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From: "Henderson, Thomas R" <thomas.r.henderson@boeing.com>
To: 'John E Drake' <jdrake@juniper.net>, Richard Ogier <ogier@earthlink.net>, "ospf@ietf.org" <ospf@ietf.org>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:59:13 -0700
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John, some replies are inline below.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:11 PM
> To: Henderson, Thomas R; Richard Ogier; ospf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [OSPF] Adoption of "Single Hop MANET Interface" as WG
> Document
> 
> Tom,
> 
> The primary point of my email was Richard's presumptuousness.
> 

I agree that it may be presumptuous to ask a WG to adopt an as-yet-unpublished draft.  However, I for one would like to understand better the decision that is being taken in adopting an update of RFC 5820 to solve the use case of draft-nsheth-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.  Would similar future updates of the other MANET RFCs be precluded by such a decision?  Does this mean that ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01 will not be considered further as a WG document?

Perhaps we could try to clarify whether the WG intention is to update the Experimental RFCs along these lines or rather to work on a single specification for the use case introduced by draft-nsheth-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.

> The comment about having multiple protocols to do the same thing being
> a bad idea was simply a comment in passing.  And it is a bad idea -
> this was the rationale given by the IETF in taking a position against
> multiple OAM protocols for MPLS-TP.
> 

I understand, but this is one rationale for the experimental track; see for example 
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/informational-vs-experimental.html (Section 3 item 4)

- Tom