Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ encoding comparison
Bob Briscoe <bob.briscoe@bt.com> Fri, 02 March 2012 19:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ encoding comparison
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+1 At 10:30 02/03/2012, karagian@cs.utwente.nl wrote: >Hi, > >I agree with Toby that Option 1 is probably the best one to choose! > >Best regards, >Georgios > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > Toby Moncaster > > Sent: vrijdag 2 maart 2012 10:45 > > To: pcn > > Subject: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ encoding comparison > > > > Adrian Farrel is keen to find out what the WG intentions are regarding the > > "other" WG encoding drafts. Just to remind everyone, the original idea was > > to have the baseline encoding and a set of 3 experimental encodings that > > built on it. Then Bob got RFC6040 published and we decided to push 3-in-1 > > encoding as the main standard. This left the other experimental > encodings in > > limbo. They are: > > > > draft-ietf-pcn-psdm-encoding-01 > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pcn-> psdm-encoding-01> > > > > draft-ietf-pcn-3-state-encoding-01 > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-> pcn-3-state-encoding-01> > > > > These are both cited in the encoding comparison draft which poses some > > potential problems. Firstly we are not meant to refer to IDs in > RFCs, secondly > > these have both long expired so will eventually disappear from > any archives, > > thirdly I believe Michael may still want to use PSDM experimentally? > > > > There would seem to be 3 possible courses of action: > > > > 1) We ask for these to be published as historical RFCs so they can be > > referenced from encoding comparison > > 2) we ask for these to be published as experimental schemes so they can be > > referenced and can be used > > 3) we remove all reference from the encoding comparison > > > > OPtion 1 is probably the easiest as (hopefully) they would not > need too much > > updating. Option 2 requires more work on the drafts (in light of > the fact we > > are obsolete RFC5696 which they both depend on), but would at least hold > > the door open to future work. Option 3 partially defeats the point of the > > encoding comparison document. > > > > I have a very slight preference for option 1, but what do other > people think? > > > > Toby > > _______________________________________________ > > PCN mailing list > > PCN@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn >_______________________________________________ >PCN mailing list >PCN@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe, BT Innovate & Design
- [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ encodin… Toby Moncaster
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Michael Menth
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… karagian
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… karagian
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… David Harrington
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Bradner, Scott
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Toby Moncaster
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… David Harrington
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… Toby Moncaster
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… philip.eardley
- [PCN] alternate encodings future. David Harrington
- Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ enc… karagian
- [PCN] WGLC concluded (publishing PSDM and 3-state… Steven Blake