Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ encoding comparison

Toby Moncaster <toby.moncaster@cl.cam.ac.uk> Tue, 13 March 2012 10:23 UTC

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I guess I have to stop equivocating on this…

I am actually in favour of publishing these as historical (with the caveat that they are only worth expending a few man-hours effort on).

Like Steve I hadn't realised that could be done, but as it seems fairly normal procedure it seems like the right option for these drafts. I am also prepared to put a small amount of effort into the process. My hope would be that historical documents need a good deal less scrutiny and hence these can be published more or less as they are in the new -02 versions I posted last night.

Toby


On 13 Mar 2012, at 07:32, <Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de> wrote:

> While I clearly prefer egress node based pcn policy decisions, not
> requiring any signaled feedback to policy decision points, I don't
> object to have both drafts as historic RFCs. But I don't want to
> work on them.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ruediger
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Steven Blake
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:38 AM
> To: David Harrington
> Cc: <pcn@ietf.org>; <toby.moncaster@cl.cam.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [PCN] IESG feedback from 3-in-1 encoding/ encoding comparison
> 
> On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 20:10 -0400, David Harrington wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I hope I parsed your  double negatives appropriately.
>> I was suggesting that having a normative reference to an expired draft
>> could be problematic.
>> 
>> I see that one of the drafts was revised as Historic .
>> Is the WG decision to publish these as Historic or let them disappear?
>> The IESG needs to know.
> 
> I thought RFCs were re-categorized as Historic?  I didn't realize that
> an RFC could be published as Historic right off the bat.
> 
> I'm initiating a 3-day WGLC to determine whether to publish
> draft-ietf-pcn-psdm-encoding-02.txt and
> draft-ietf-pcn-3-state-encoding-02.txt
> as Informational/Historic RFCs (terminating EOB Thursday 3/15).
> 
> Please send comments to the list ASAP.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> // Steve
> 
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