Re: [perpass] NULL Cipher RFC 2410 to HISTORIC ???

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On 12/9/2013 10:05 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

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 > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com
 > <mailto:kent@bbn.com>> wrote:
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 >     Phillip,
 >
 >>     On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Hannes Tschofenig
 >>     <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net <mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>         Hi Stephen, Hi Nicholas,
 >>
 >>         it would be interesting (as a history lesson) if someone could
 >>         tell us why the group at that time decided to develop a NULL
 >>         encryption mechanism. Stephen Kent (co-author of RFC 2410)
 >>         might remember. I have no heard
 >>
 >>
 >>     It was for testing
 >     no, it was not. please see my response to Hannes.
 >
 >     Steve
 >
 >
 > Well what I should have said is 'testing and other legit stuff'. The
 > people I talked to said they wanted it for testing. The point was that
 > it was a completely reasonable proposal.
 >
 > Given the attitude of the IETF to NAT back in those days there would be
 > good reason not to lead with NAT bypass as the motivation for the spec.
 >

Regardless of the IETF's position on NAT then (I was *much* more active in
various IETF WGs back then) or now, NAT is a operational reality, will be
for the foreseeable future. It's "technical impurities" matter not, in that
regard.

- - ferg

 >
 > As for the language being 'delightfully tongue in cheek', its the sort
 > of thing that looks fun when written but can look awfully bad if there
 > is an issue resulting.
 >
 > At any rate, I think the point is made sufficiently that NULL ciphers in
 > legacy suites do not represent a policy precedent against the PERPASS
 > work.
 >
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