Re: [Pesci-discuss] iesg and newtrk
Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Fri, 18 November 2005 04:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] iesg and newtrk
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:23:37 -0500
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While I stand behind everything I said, I'll admit that my language was more emotional than needed. I'm sorry about that. I do believe that we need to treat each other as parties working together to solve common problems. The IESG is trying to be as constructive as it knows how. I believe those making proposals are trying to be constructive too. If you don't think someone succeeded in being constructive, point it out and work with them to figure out what they meant to say or how they should say it. Being constructive is not the same as agreeing. Being constructive is sometimes not even the same as working to solve a problem. I may honestly believe something is not a problem or believe it is not worth the time to solve. Blocking others is not constructive but building a consensus against a particular process change can be. However many of the proposals are blocked. We need to figure out how to unwedge them. I've been thinking hard about this since pesci. I hope to have a proposal soon; I'd like to talk it over with brian first. Of course, he may well convince me it's a bad idea, and I may end up going back to the drawing board. --Sam _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Driving proposals John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Driving proposals Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Driving proposals John C Klensin
- [Pesci-discuss] iesg and newtrk Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] iesg and newtrk Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] iesg and newtrk Brian E Carpenter