Re: [Pesci-discuss] iesg and newtrk

I must admit I've been in catch-up mode this week and put process
reform low in the heap, so I have thought about all this less
than Sam has. I'm also waiting for postable draft minutes to be
ready. But yes, we need to (a) be constructive (b) remember that
we got 300 documents processed in the last year, so more things
are working than an outside reader of this list might imagine and
(c) avoid getting further wrapped round our axles.

(c) involves trying to extract simple conclusions from a
complex discussion, and that's where I think we need to focus.

     Brian

Sam Hartman wrote:
> While I stand behind everything I said, I'll admit that my language
> was more emotional than needed.  I'm sorry about that.
> 
> I do believe that we need to treat each other as parties working
> together to solve common problems.  The IESG is trying to be as
> constructive as it knows how.  I believe those making proposals are
> trying to be constructive too.  If you don't think someone succeeded
> in being constructive, point it out and work with them to figure out
> what they meant to say or how they should say it.
> 
> Being constructive is not the same as agreeing.  Being constructive is
> sometimes not even the same as working to solve a problem.  I may
> honestly believe something is not a problem or believe it is not worth
> the time to solve.  Blocking others is not constructive but building a
> consensus against a particular process change can be.
> 
> 
> However many of the proposals are blocked.  We need to figure out how
> to unwedge them.  I've been thinking hard about this since pesci.  I
> hope to have a proposal soon; I'd like to talk it over with brian
> first.  Of course, he may well convince me it's a bad idea, and I may
> end up going back to the drawing board.
> 
> --Sam
> 
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