Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09.txt
"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Wed, 09 October 2013 09:12 UTC
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On 2013/10/09 18:02, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > On 2013/10/09 5:55, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 9/11/13 8:06 PM, Joseph Yee wrote: > >>> Reviewed the draft, think the approach is good. Just one minor comment. >>> >>> Same as Florian, had the 'hmm' reaction when reading about >>> directionality and application behaviour at Section 3.1. It seems that >>> the only application behaviour is permitted pattern. It doesn't deal >>> with visual appearance I believed. Maybe replace 'application >>> behaviour' with 'permitted patther of the string' (or 'allowed >>> combination of the string')? >> >> Hmm, I see why you and Florian don't like that text. :-) >> >> How about this? >> >> OLD >> Directionality: defines application behavior in the presence of code >> points that have directionality, in particular right-to-left code >> points as defined in the Unicode database (see [UAX9]). >> >> NEW >> Directionality: defines which strings are to be considered >> left-to-right (LTR) and right-to-left (RTL), and the allowable >> sequences of characters in LTR and RTL strings. > > That may be an improvement, but it's missing the fact that LTR and RTL > strings are the only two alternatives allowed. > > Also, it would be good to somewhere say that there is currently no > widely accepted and implemented solution for the display of constructs > with mixed pieces (e.g. domain names with LTR and RTL components > (labels), because the problem is inherently extremely hard. In addition, in the introduction, there is a paragraph: 5. Leave various mapping operations (e.g., case preservation or lowercasing, Unicode normalization, mapping of certain characters to other characters or to nothing, handling of full-width and half-width characters, handling of right-to-left characters) as the responsibility of application protocols, as was done for IDNA2008 through an IDNA-specific mapping document [RFC5895]. where "handling of right-to-left characters" is described as a mapping operation. That doesn't make sense to me, I think it should be moved out to a separate point. Regards, Martin. > Regards, Martin. > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis >
- [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09.txt Yoshiro YONEYA
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Florian Zeitz
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Yoshiro YONEYA
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Joseph Yee
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Florian Zeitz
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Florian Zeitz
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Florian Zeitz
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Florian Zeitz
- Re: [precis] WGLC: draft-ietf-precis-framework-09… Peter Saint-Andre