Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reduce restrictions on valid RTT samples (#2568)

MikkelFJ <notifications@github.com> Tue, 09 April 2019 05:15 UTC

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> The problem here is that a peer might decide to piggyback an ACK frame with some other stuff it is about to send (MAX_STREAM_DATA perhaps). That could result in an ACK frame that acks only non-ack-eliciting packets. It seems unnecessary to put the burden on a peer to not send this ack. It's just as easy to ignore such acks when received.

There is the interesting derived effect that if you do not ACK non-ack-eliciting packets, this could be used as optimistic ack attack mitigation. This means that you can avoid gaps in the packet number space. You could periodically coalesce non-ack-eliciting packets with other packets as necessary.

The problem is of course that the receiver needs to track those gaps, but I'm not sure that is much different than what it already needs to track.

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