Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram

"Christopher Wood" <caw@heapingbits.net> Wed, 11 December 2019 23:06 UTC

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:05:49 -0800
From: "Christopher Wood" <caw@heapingbits.net>
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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram
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I support adoption. 

Best,
Chris

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Jana Iyengar wrote:
> I support adoption of this document.
> 
> This is a natural extension to QUIC and there are multiple 
> implementations and side-conversations happening already, and as I 
> understand it, there is some deployment experience. 
> 
> One note however. Per my read, this is the first extension that extends 
> the functionality of QUIC beyond the charter's original conception of 
> it for HTTP. Many things are possible with QUIC, but the things we want 
> to standardize are the things that are likely to be used. There's no 
> better argument for useful extensions than a discussion of actual 
> deployment where it exists.. It enables others to use it similarly, and 
> importantly, it informs why the mechanism is designed so. I would have 
> hoped for more active discussions around current uses of this extension 
> where it exists, including deployment experience where it exists. 
> Perhaps the authors can take this as feedback going forward.
> 
> - jana
> 
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:00 PM Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen 
> <mikkelfj@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, datagrams are important for custom protocols.
> > 
> > 
> > On 11 December 2019 at 22.49.23, Victor Vasiliev (vasilvv=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org) wrote:
> 
> >> I support adoption of this draft. We already support a version of this in gQUIC and I am willing to work on making sure it's interoperable with other implementations.
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 13:36 Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot..net <mailto:mnot@mnot.net>> wrote:
> >>>  This is a Call for Adoption of the following document:
> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram-05
> >>> 
> >>>  The Working Group has discussed this document for some time, most recently in Singapore.
> >>> 
> >>>  Please state whether you support adoption of the document by the Working Group, and any additional information that you feel may be helpful.
> >>> 
> >>>  This call will end on 15 January 2020.
> >>> 
> >>>  Regards,
> >>> 
> >>>  --
> >>>  Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
> >>>