Re: Hidden connection spawning

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 26 July 2018 09:35 UTC

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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:35:05 +1000
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Subject: Re: Hidden connection spawning
To: Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <mikkelfj@gmail.com>
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Sounds like work for an extension to me.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 4:32 PM Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
<mikkelfj@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I came to think about a use case where you want to spawn a new connection from an existing connection because the new connection runs a different protocol. For example a http connection where you  want to run a separate live conference call, or to control tunnels from http control connection.
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> You have roughly three options:
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> 1. extend the current protocol with the new feature set in extension frames or similar
> 2. develop or use a purposes specific QUIC protol using 0-RTT for spawning the connection
> 3. negotiate the new connection handshake within the current handshake.
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> The first solution is not complex, limited, and not modular.
> The second solution can be used to get information about the connection, and for example block connections that appear to be doing that.
> The third solution allows for an invisible connection spawn, but requires addition handshake logic which is already complex as it is.
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> I suggesting solution 3 as possible option, although I am not convinced that this is worthwhile, at least in V1.
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> This was in part inspired by recent discussion on tunneling, and in part by the following issue where partial reliability is being discussed and possibly shoe-horned into an extension. I am not following that issue closely though - it is just an example.
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1606#issuecomment-407951495
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>
> Mikkel