Re: [Rats] CoTS and CoRIM

[Henk Birkholz <[e-mail]>]

top-posting & self-quoting:


> Which text gave that impression? Could you please file an issue or even better a PR?

Ah I see. Muhammad's recently filed issue points to text in 
draft-wallace-rats-concise-ta-stores.


> https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/draft-wallace-rats-concise-ta-stores/issues/3

On 14.12.23 15:23, Henk Birkholz wrote:
> Hi Hannes,
> 
> I obviously agree that the two documents are related. I also think that 
> TAs can be endorsed (and not reference values, of course. Which text 
> gave that impression? Could you please file an issue or even better a 
> PR?) and that a CoRIM profile is a suitable solution.
> 
> I am not so sure that CoTS and CoRIM should merge. Having said that, 
> while being pretty neutral on the matter, I would like to highlight that 
>   the CoRIM I-D is a pretty technical, detail rich, and solution 
> oriented document already. In other words, information density is high 
> while the topic is definitively non-trivial.
> 
> All I am saying is that adding more topics to an already complex 
> document is not always useful. Maybe the demarcation line between CoTS 
> and CoRIM is more useful as is?
> 
> 
> Viele Grüße,
> 
> Henk
> 
> On 14.12.23 14:02, hannes.tschofenig=[e-mail] wrote:
>> Thanks for the quick response, Yogesh.
>>
>> Two points:
>>
>>   * The reason why I believe that the trust anchor functionality should
>>     be part of CoRIM is that it is a core feature rather than an
>>     extension. I understand that there is some history about how these
>>     documents came into existence but this should not prevent us from
>>     doing the “right” thing.
>>
>>   * Using trust anchors under the umbrella of endorsements makes sense
>>     to me. This needs to be more clearly articulated in the documents
>>     though.
>>
>> A word about the process: Decisions about the directions the document 
>> take should be made on the mailing list rather than in private 
>> meetings. The chairs should be more strict about this.
>>
>> Ciao
>>
>> Hannes
>>
>> *From:*RATS <[e-mail]> *On Behalf Of *Yogesh Deshpande
>> *Sent:* Donnerstag, 14. Dezember 2023 12:31
>> *To:* muhammad_usama.sardar <[e-mail]>; 
>> [e-mail]
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rats] CoTS and CoRIM
>>
>> Hi Hannes,
>>
>> To your question:
>>
>> /I am wondering why the two documents <draft-ietf-rats-corim> and 
>> <draft-ietf-rats-concise-ta-stores> aren’t merged./
>>
>> //
>>
>> The work on Cots started at different point in time (by different 
>> authors) and hence the CoRIM base document does refer Cots but is not 
>> fully integrated.
>>
>> We will discuss the possibility and implications of such in our 
>> regular CoRIM meetings.
>>
>> Regarding Trust Anchors as per RATS document (RFC 9334) to the best of 
>> my knowledge it comes under the heading of Endorsements.
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9334#name-endorsements 
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9334#name-endorsements>
>>
>> RATS treats Trust Anchors as a type of Endorsements.
>>
>> Hope this information is helpful.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yogesh
>>
>> *From:*RATS <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> *On 
>> Behalf Of *Muhammad Usama Sardar
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2023 8:21 AM
>> *To:* [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rats] CoTS and CoRIM
>>
>> Hi Hannes,
>>
>> On 13.12.23 21:24, hannes.tschofenig=[e-mail] 
>> <mailto:hannes.tschofenig=[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>     I am wondering why the two documents <draft-ietf-rats-corim> and
>>     <draft-ietf-rats-concise-ta-stores> aren’t merged. Reading through
>>     the RATS drafts I often get the impression that trust anchors have
>>     somehow been forgotten and were added later, as an afterthought. The
>>     RATS architecture RFC does not list trust anchors as an item in
>>     Figure 1. In some other document trust anchors are then portrait as
>>     belonging to reference values – somehow. That does not feel right to
>>     me either.
>>
>> I think it is completely wrong to consider trust anchors as Reference 
>> Values. Can you name the document which presents this view?
>>
>>     Ciao
>>
>>     Hannes
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Usama
>>
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