Re: [regext] "Considerations" Sections
Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> Tue, 06 November 2018 09:32 UTC
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On 11/6/18 9:59 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:36 AM >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com>; 'regext@ietf.org' >> <regext@ietf.org> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] "Considerations" Sections >> >> >> >> On 11/6/18 9:22 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: regext <regext-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:07 AM >>>> To: regext@ietf.org >>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] "Considerations" Sections >>>> >>>> On 11/06/2018 09:01 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >>>>> Following up on the in-room discussion regarding Human Rights >>>>> Protocol >>>> Considerations as compared to Security Considerations and other types >>>> of considerations that appear in IETF documents: >>>>> >>>>> I mentioned at the mic that we don't have any documents representing >>>> IETF consensus that provide guidance for writing human rights >>>> protocol considerations. It was mentioned that RFC 8280 describes such >> guidelines. >>>> True, it does, but it's an Informational document that "represents >>>> the consensus of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations Research >>>> Group of the Internet Research Task Force". RFCs 3552 (Security >>>> Considerations) and >>>> 8126 (IANA Considerations) are, in comparison, IETF BCPs. So, I'll >>>> stand by my comment regarding the lack of _IETF_ consensus on the >> topic. >>>> >>>> Thanks Scott, as you know there are also Privacy Considerations, as >>>> outlined in RFC6973, which also do not constitute community consensus >>>> but are widely used. >>>> >>>> Furthermore, if something is not a community consensus, it doesn't >>>> mean we MAY/SHOULD/MUST NOT do it. >>> >>> True. It also does not mean that we MUST do it. As Jim Galvin noted, >> it's up to the editor and WG to decide how to address the topic. >>> >> >> My understanding is that at the point of WG adoption, change control is >> handed over to the WG, right? So in that case it means that it is up to >> the WG. > > The editor controls the pen. It's the responsibility of the editor to ensure that the text that appears in the document ultimately represents WG consensus. > I thought that it is up to the WG chair to establish what does or does not constitute consensus. Am also a bit confused about the interchangeable use of editor and author here. James is the author, right? Cheers, Niels -- Niels ten Oever Researcher and PhD Candidate Datactive Research Group University of Amsterdam PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3
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