Re: [regext] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-regext-org-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

[Benjamin Kaduk <[e-mail]>]

Hi James,

On Thu, Nov 08, 2018 at 07:31:21AM +0000, Gould, James wrote:
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> How about the following clarifying changes?
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> Client status values that can be added or removed by a client are prefixed
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> A client MUST NOT alter server status values set by the server.

That works for me.  Thank you for fine-tuning the wording.

-Benjamin

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> On 11/7/18, 11:43 PM, "Benjamin Kaduk" <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>     [Sorry for the misattribution in the quoting -- the text/plain I'm
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>     On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 11:39:40AM +0000, Gould, James wrote:
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>     > This seems overly zealous to the point of being harmful.  For example, if a
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>     > The “ok” status is the default status and not classified as a server status, since it is not prefixed with “server”.  The sentence “A client MUST NOT alter status values set by the server.” means that the client cannot set or remove a server status, such as serverUpdateProhibited.  I hope this clarifies what is defined in the EPP RFCs (5730-5733) and draft-ietf-regext-org.
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>     To be clear, I'm solely commenting on the specific wording -- a "status set
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>     > On 10/31/18, 10:23 AM, "Benjamin Kaduk" <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>     >     On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:25:42AM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote:
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>     >     > [Linlin] Our proposal is to add the lead-in bolded text to match the existing EPP RFC's to the Organization mapping. There has been no issues with the interpretation of the statuses with the EPP RFCs, so it's best to match them as closely as possible. In section 3.4,
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>     >     > An organization object MUST always have at least one associated status
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>     >     > value. Status values can be set only by the client that sponsors an
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>     >     > <update> command. Each status value MAY be accompanied by a string
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>     >     > A client MUST NOT alter status values set by the server. A server
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>     >     > MAY alter or override status values set by a client, subject to local
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>     >     > server policies. The status of an object MAY change as a result of
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>     >     > Status values that can be added or removed by a client are prefixed
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>     >     > "terminated" status values are server-managed when the organization
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>     >     > If status value "clientUpdateProhibited" is set by a client
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