Re: [regext] [Ext] Re: Using RDAP as a Domain Availability Service

Dave Piscitello <dave.piscitello@icann.org> Fri, 16 December 2016 12:44 UTC

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From: Dave Piscitello <dave.piscitello@icann.org>
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>
Thread-Topic: [Ext] Re: [regext] Using RDAP as a Domain Availability Service
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Subject: Re: [regext] [Ext] Re: Using RDAP as a Domain Availability Service
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> On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
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> Sorry, but why would RDAP be used for this?

Can’t anyone implement RDAP, i.e., 3rd party whois services who don’t have EPP?
> 
> I know that whois is used by a lot of people for this, but it really shouldn’t be. Only a direct EPP query to the registry can give a “sane” response. 

Yes. 

Isn’t a possible unintended consequence of using something other than EPP that registries or registrars might see an increase in domain name front running allegations?

> What am I missing?

Hair

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> On 16/12/2016, 11:34, "regext on behalf of Andrew Newton" <regext-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of andy@hxr.us> wrote:
> 
>    This topic keeps appearing over and over again, so Marcos and I
>    decided to address it.
>    As it turns out, there's not much needed to achieve this. This draft
>    suggests two new query parameters and re-uses the current RDAP domain
>    query. In other words, its a very small addition to RDAP.
> 
>    -andy
> 
> 
>    A new version of I-D, draft-newton-regext-rdap-domain-availability-00.txt
>    has been successfully submitted by Andrew Lee Newton and posted to the
>    IETF repository.
> 
>    Name: draft-newton-regext-rdap-domain-availability
>    Revision: 00
>    Title: Using RDAP as a Domain Availability Service
>    Document date: 2016-12-16
>    Group: Individual Submission
>    Pages: 6
>    URL:
>    https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newton-regext-rdap-domain-availability-00.txt
>    Status:
>    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-regext-rdap-domain-availability/
>    Htmlized:
>    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-newton-regext-rdap-domain-availability-00
> 
> 
>    Abstract:
>      This document describes a minimal profile of RDAP which can be used
>      to check the availability of domain names available for registration.
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