Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] bcp14, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.25.0

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Tue, 27 August 2019 05:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] bcp14, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.25.0
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On 27.08.2019 01:46, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> On 2019-08-27 01:06, Dave Lawrence wrote:
>> Julian Reschke writes:
>>> If the sole reason for this change is to avoid breaking up MUST_NOT (and
>>> friends), why not hard-wire that into the renderers (for HTML, I believe
>>> it could be done with CSS...)?
>>
>> And I readily admit I might have missed a memo, but if that is the
>> sole reason then how did we arrive at the conclusion that they needed
>> to be inseparable?
>
> They don't.  There's no such rule that I know of, and I don't think there
> should be one.
>
> But if an RPC editor decides to make it so in some cases, why should xml2rfc
> get in the way and issue an inappropriate warning about unrecognised keywords?

It would be good to better understand the requirement. In particular I'd
like to understand why this needs to happen on a case-by-case basis. It
sounds as if historic requirements (line breaking in plain text) leak
back into the canonical source file.

> No reason to do so that I can see.  Which is why I made xml2rfc recognize
> both "MUST NOT" and "MUST&nbsp;NOT" (and "MUST\tNOT", and "MUST\nNOT", and
> some others) as a BCP 14 key word.

What about other non-ASCII whitespace characters?

Best regards, Julian