Re: [Rfced-future] Sectiion 4.3 on RPC Responsibilities (was: Re: Fwd: [I18ndir] I18ndir last call review of draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-11_

"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Tue, 08 March 2022 00:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Sectiion 4.3 on RPC Responsibilities (was: Re: Fwd: [I18ndir] I18ndir last call review of draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-11_
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On 2022-03-08 04:31, Jay Daley wrote:
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>> On 5/03/2022, at 1:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 05-Mar-22 12:51, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> On 3/3/22 8:53 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>>>> Yes. The words "guide" and "must" do not sit well together.
>>>> I'm sure there will always be exceptions to any style rule,
>>>> and I think we need text here that allows for that.
>>> I see your point. So (under Working Practices):
>>> * Maintenance of a style guide that defines editorial standards for
>>>     RFCs; specifically, the RFC Style Guide consists of {{RFC7322}} and
>>>     associated documents and resources listed at {{STYLEGUIDE}}.
>>> and (under RPC Responsibilities):
>>> 1. Editing documents originating from all RFC streams to ensure that
>>>      they are consistent with the editorial standards specified in the
>>>      RFC Style Guide.
>>
>> Yes, that sounds reasonable to me - firm, but does not read like a mandate.
> 
> 
> I agree.

I agree, but shouldn't it be "{{RFC7322}} or its successor"?

Regards,   Martin.

> (fwiw, I am commenting here because i want to ensure the role of the RPC as defined here is clear, consistent and achievable).
> 
> Jay
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>>    Brian
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