Re: VCC cost models .... (was Re: Limits on SVCCs)
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Subject: Re: VCC cost models .... (was Re: Limits on SVCCs)
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> I haven't proposed any specific > manner of user choice. It's too easy to argue an absurd user-choice > scenario that gets us no-where.) Well, I wasn't proposing any specific mechanism, just suggesting one possibility since most Internet users use some sort of GUI for at least some of their activity (like a Web browser). I meant the comment to be rhetorical. > If 'cut-through' makes it hard to characterize the cost of doing business > (and _that_ is the "if" I'm raising here), then someone may have a problem. I tend to think this actually may make the cost of doing business on the Internet (and probably even the cost of using the Internet) unmanagable. One of the nice things about doing business on the Internet now is that most of the costs are very managable since they tend to be fixed (equipment costs and leased line costs). Incurring extra costs for each cut-through VC seems to be rather unmanagable (and we would also then need a mechanism for tearing down these VCs quickly to minimize the cost incurred by idle VCs). Also, are the benifits of cut-through worth the extra complexity in management? And will enough people be able to afford cut-through so that there is a big enough customer base to make cut-through worth implementing? These are not all technical issues, but I think they are worth considering. > Well, yes. But what I was getting at is that you're forcing the sender(s) > to have to figure out some way of billing you back for the incremental > cost of having added you as a long-distance leaf node. Well, either that or place collect calls (if such a thing would be possible). Either way, it seems very complicated. --- pete ------------------ Peter Schulter schulter@zk3.dec.com Digital UNIX Networking voice (603) 881-2920 Digital Equipment Corp voice (DTN) 381-2920 ZK3-03/U14 FAX (603) 881-2257 110 Spit Brook Road FAX (DTN) 381-2257 Nashua, NH 03062
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