Re: [rtcweb] SIP MUST NOT be used in browser?[was RE: Remote recording - RTC-Web client acting as SIPREC session recording client]

Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net> Tue, 06 September 2011 21:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] SIP MUST NOT be used in browser?[was RE: Remote recording - RTC-Web client acting as SIPREC session recording client]
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On 9/6/11 2:25 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
> On 9/6/11 6:13 AM, Igor Faynberg wrote:
>> I find this reasoning hard to understand.  First, the SIP standard 
>> has been around for a decade. What new standardization is needed?
>
> The issue is whenever you wish to innovate and add functionality.

To make this really simple, an analogy:

What would Gmail be like if every web browser had a built-in IMAP client 
(== "a complete SIP implementation") *and* that was the only way you 
could display tables of email subject lines in the browser window (== 
"the only way to use the codec and RTP transport")?

Matthew Kaufman