Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling protocol
"Asveren, Tolga" <tasveren@sonusnet.com> Tue, 18 October 2011 13:17 UTC
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From: "Asveren, Tolga" <tasveren@sonusnet.com>
To: "Avasarala, Ranjit" <Ranjit.Avasarala@Polycom.com>, Ravindran Parthasarathi <pravindran@sonusnet.com>, Saúl Ibarra Corretgé <saul@ag-projects.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling protocol
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Yes, something "simple" would be nice but the definition of "simple enough but still allowing me to do what I want to achieve" is very much dependent on the needs of each specific use case/service. There is no universal definition of "simple" here. So, I guess this is yet another argument in favor of not standardizing the protocol between browser and webserver so that everybody can design/use whatever is "simple but good enough" from their perspective. Thanks, Tolga > -----Original Message----- > From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Avasarala, Ranjit > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:38 AM > To: Ravindran Parthasarathi; Saúl Ibarra Corretgé > Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling > protocol > > That's the whole issue. We need some mechanism for web browsers to > negotiate offer/answer and ICE candidates between each other. Using SIP > for this over websockets would bring in unnecessary overheads. But we > still need some mechanism. So something which is "simple" is needed. > > Regards > Ranjit > > -----Original Message----- > From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Ravindran Parthasarathi > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:46 PM > To: Saúl Ibarra Corretgé > Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling > protocol > > Saul, > > One minor correction in your mail: I have mentioned "SIP over websocket" > is an overkill and not SIP. > > Thanks > Partha > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Saúl Ibarra Corretgé [mailto:saul@ag-projects.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:32 PM > >To: Ravindran Parthasarathi > >Cc: Iñaki Baz Castillo; rtcweb@ietf.org > >Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling > >protocol > > > > > >On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Ravindran Parthasarathi wrote: > > > >> The point to be noted is folks put forth the same argument again & > >again..each time, it is not possible to come up new answer ;-) I noticed > >often you complain as if your important is missed out. We are arguing > >only about "nothing" vs "something" as a RTCWeb signaling protocol. > >> > >> I clearly explained why SIP over websocket is an overkill in the below > >mail thread. Please read it and don't argue that it is working. All the > >working stuff is not good. Infact for any protocol, the first idea pop- > >up is to tunnel the complete inside (For Ex: ISUP over SIP) but always > >better ways to solve it. > >> > > > >Let me connect the dots: you are advocating for a new 'simple' protocol > >instead of taking an existing one, SIP for example, which you called > >'overkill'. And earlier in this thread you mentioned that you are > >interested in gateways. > > > >I now understand what you are trying to do. > > > >-- > >Saúl Ibarra Corretgé > >AG Projects > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
- [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signa… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… samuel
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saul Ibarra Corretge
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saul Ibarra Corretge
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Avasarala, Ranjit
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Avasarala, Ranjit
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Jim McEachern
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Review… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Re… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- [rtcweb] UI for getUserMedia() Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Re… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Re… José Luis Millán