Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling protocol

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 18 October 2011 19:58 UTC

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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling protocol
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>; wrote:

>
> When RTCweb becomes a reality there will appear thousands of
> JavaScript libraries implementing different RTCweb signaling
> protocols, each one with its own features and capabilities. Do you
> understand that a website admin will be able to choose the one he
> prefers?
>
>
You make this sound like you believe this to be an advantage.  Having seen
the bit-rot in quite a few libraries,  I'm less included to assume that
every library created will be feature complete and well-maintained.  I'm
equally leery of presuming that it is easy to chose among them.  Checking
for embedded malware, to take a simple example, makes the task longer and
more fraught with issues than you might suppose.


> Visit 100 random cool websites. Probably 50% of them use JQuery JS
> library. Does it mean that each web developer had to build his own JS
> library? not at all, they use JQuery.
>
> Now your reply will be "downloading the JS library everytime is not
> efficient". Ok, visit 100 random cool websites. Probably 50% of them
> use JQuery JS library. How many times have you downloaded the JQuery
> library (assuming that every site has its own copy of the .js)? ... 50
> times. Is that a problem? not for the rest of the humans in the world.
>
>
It's certainly less efficient and, given the majority of users now accessing
the Internet via mobile devices which are power and bandwidth constrained,
that sort of wastefulness should not be trivially dismissed.  I


> So please stop making up issues that don't exist. The WWW world does
> not work as you propose, and anyhow it has succeeded.
>
>
You set up a strawman that you attempted to knock down.  He did not propose
it, you did.  I also don't think you scored even a TKO on the strawman.
Again, please focus on your own points,

thanks,

Ted Hardie


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