Re: [rtcweb] Video codec selection - way forward
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 21 November 2013 20:02 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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I would like to propose some additional alternatives. SHOULD: Theora MUST: Theora SHOULD: H.261 SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.261 Theora SHOULD: H.263 SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.263 SHOULD: H.263 H.261 SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.263 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.263 Theora MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.263 H.261 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora SHOULD: VP8 SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 SHOULD: VP8 H.261 SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 SHOULD: VP8 H.263 SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: VP8 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: Theora MUST: VP8 Theora MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: VP8 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: VP8 H.263 MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: Theora MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora SHOULD: H.264 SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 SHOULD: H.264 H.261 SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 SHOULD: H.264 H.263 SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 MUST: H.264 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 Theora MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264 H.263 MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 MUST: H.264 VP8 MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora SHOULD do 1 of {H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 3 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} SHOULD do 4 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.263, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.263, H.261} MUST do 1 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {VP8, Theora} MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.261} MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263} MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 3 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.261} MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263} MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 3 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} MUST do 4 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote: > > Added a > > #11 • MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264 CBP, H.263} > > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:20 AM, David Singer <singer@apple.com> wrote: > > > Chairs > > > > can we add this as an option to the formal list, so we get formal > feedback on its acceptability, please? > > > > “Like option ??, pick at least two of {VP8, H.264 CBP, H.263}” > > > > > > I think this may be the best (maybe only) way to tease out how much risk > people perceive. > > > > Many thanks > > > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:22 , Maik Merten <maikmerten@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Cleary H.263 is preferable from an engineering standpoint (as is, e.g., > MPEG-1 Part 2): better performance, more deployments. The central question > is, however, if those can actually be implemented without some sort of > licensing. > >> > >> If they can: Aweseome! However, this may not be determinable without a > review by people who are knowledgeable in the field of IPR, i.e., "actual > lawyers". I understand that H.263 is not yet old enough to automatically be > considered "safe" (and neither is MPEG-1 Part 2, although it is closer). > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Maik > >> > >> Am 20.11.2013 20:42, schrieb David Singer: > >>> I think we should think hard about H.263 instead of H.261 as the third > fallback. Why? > >>> > >>> http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.263/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> H.263 was first published in March 1996, so it's 17 years old. The > restrictions (e.g. on picture size) are no WORSE than H.261. Yes, more > recent amendments deal with this (and a plethora of other issues), so we’d > need to settle on which of those are mandatory (the usual profiling > discussion). > >>> > >>> There are 34 records in the patent database against H.261, mostly from > 1989 but one as recent as 2005 (though that is a re-file). That's 2.2 > (reciprocity), as was one other I checked. > >>> > >>> Rather surprisingly, there are only 31 against H.263! The most recent > is 2011, and is also option 2. Most are 1997-2001. > >>> > >>> > >>> On this quick glance, H.263 appears no worse than H.261. IANAL (as I > am sure you have all noticed). > >>> > >>> > >>> H.263 is much more widely supported and mandated. It has been > mandated in the 3GPP specs for years (for lots of services, including > videoconf), and is effectively the fallback codec today in the industry, as > I understand. It was ubiquitous in video telephony for years, and I > suspect many of those systems still ship it. > >>> > >>> So, would “MUST implement at least two of (H.264, VP8, H.263)” work? > >>> > >>> (I am asking the question, not even answering on behalf of my company, > yet. Let’s get the issues on the table.) > >>> > >>> > >>> David Singer > >>> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> rtcweb mailing list > >>> rtcweb@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> rtcweb mailing list > >> rtcweb@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > > > David Singer > > Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rtcweb mailing list > > rtcweb@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
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