Re: [rtcweb] Proposed Video Selection Process

Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Fri, 22 November 2013 02:19 UTC

Return-Path: <juberti@google.com>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EAC1AD0F0 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:19:02 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 2.921
X-Spam-Level: **
X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FB_CAN_LONGER=4.824, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.525, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57xE7N_nY9qa for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:19:00 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883DA1AD94A for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:19:00 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id lc6so445010vcb.27 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:53 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KWFiNuCnKacwXQpBiaO6WmR16lUcjHp20HFigOdFWWQ=; b=I1GljS3KiPwsS7hUWcfhnD+Uf6TLtKVYEIRiT6AmWj5j3Yo8HmbAfUse5IQyy+l5wh quRG/XcxPHvEqbBD56Uy9WRPQKDswnRiwLI4qMRlL+9ETtKg+VfbAdc2QzWQrKYxTqqZ FCtByhqU15v4XBQ89oU6FPOiSmITuKc62x433TjemDw2ptqJpfE9mRKSvw8ra72bsIhc PkTl/rzhVBokOB9GWRP4pO8R0nZ272QWtjYHK/AiGvcpkSegzMFJ97OphIKjw7yqr3tt sGaYz6WS9Ucsi2dXUvMSHVM9MFyTuLiQByNlsz2l6ZWa6D1BDfySNiYwRe3Nvjn09F49 xnVA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KWFiNuCnKacwXQpBiaO6WmR16lUcjHp20HFigOdFWWQ=; b=jyvMLWJEj5BUK8bTvvXCDHirYZKkujgoAzyhhNLIGuBsw93ZCGoG9h+XoaycWLSA7R XP89XPtSmgf85LWnz7uVrqI6Q9wTUECrC2WPjpsk9Qw5YJ/vy/MA7Esk4E3RAIN0Jdtn F+syLkHB2c+TgRSy1yz/lizx3OvIbdvngmYku8h68rYicFg2MrteUNaXS6hcDqr8ME21 7s6JFxbJSlrhkspt8DsKsa8eEIFe1LLDhV23vun6C+piIu2DRrOccHVDDV+WcwbBaZ7z X/332B1+3wmY0evqbGdMa4+fD9I4pB09xskATyWzHtl9OtCwN3UzFSOZPluU3M3VC0Cr 3aTw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmZnwjTVXqTWH3v2RePwKWWY8whKylmMm0IDm7HsRFjbJU226aVKH6wjOZKk9ivcyBiK4jwg4xYvhajQBEwZR9zy9Uje9qH61Ic7RxRzMcHXRan1jGjKYxnPxAFg+G8LeyIq79s/nDB2DPP+SPV7w5RC3UlBmF9qGjzm+j2+n9qRXPUxH8fXtCmWOC928GW4pHHPnTh
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.220.169.203 with SMTP id a11mr191049vcz.26.1385086733360; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:53 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.52.110.101 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.52.110.101 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:52 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <528EBD4C.8070504@librevideo.org>
References: <7949EED078736C4881C92F656DC6F6C130EA8AD7ED@ausmsex00.austin.kmvtechnologies.com> <E62E1CAF-546D-4A0E-9339-D03D6C0BC1AE@apple.com> <528EBAB0.2010906@librevideo.org> <D125BF97-73BE-4591-8C70-30C03974CC78@apple.com> <528EBD4C.8070504@librevideo.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:52 -0800
Message-ID: <CAOJ7v-2zCZk4cMh1MbpXGHCELJMJppLVEX9CwPG3VNtDfDv4qw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
To: Basil Mohamed Gohar <basilgohar@librevideo.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="047d7b6721c4b9b57804ebbaa24b"
Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Proposed Video Selection Process
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:19:02 -0000

Stefan Wenger posted a fairly detailed analysis of the H.263 situation,
which I think also applies to MPEG-2.

TL;DR: no, because patents.
On Nov 21, 2013 6:11 PM, "Basil Mohamed Gohar" <basilgohar@librevideo.org>
wrote:

> Patents can last longer than 17 years.
>
>
> http://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/312/how-long-are-software-patents-valid
>
> On 11/21/2013 09:05 PM, David Singer wrote:
> > Ok, even though the standard issued in early 1996, more than 17 years
> ago?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Nov 21, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar <
> basilgohar@librevideo.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/21/2013 08:23 PM, David Singer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can someone remind me why classic H.263 (with possibly the minor
> tweaks for picture size limits etc.) is problematic?
> >>
> >> For exactly the same reasons H.264 (for some) and VP8 (for others) - IPR
> >> issues due to not being old enough for anything patented in the standard
> >> to be guaranteed to have expired.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Libre Video
> >> http://librevideo.org
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> rtcweb mailing list
> >> rtcweb@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
>
>
> --
> Libre Video
> http://librevideo.org
> _______________________________________________
> rtcweb mailing list
> rtcweb@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
>