Re: [rtcweb] SIP MUST NOT be used in browser?[was RE: Remote recording - RTC-Web client acting as SIPREC session recording client]

Igor Faynberg <igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com> Tue, 06 September 2011 13:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] SIP MUST NOT be used in browser?[was RE: Remote recording - RTC-Web client acting as SIPREC session recording client]
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I find this reasoning hard to understand.  First, the SIP standard has 
been around for a decade. What new standardization is needed?

Igor

On 9/5/2011 11:39 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
> On 8/23/2011 5:57 PM, Ravindran Parthasarathi wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in hearing the reasons for why SIP MUST NOT be used in 
>> browser.
>>
>
> The primary reason for avoiding a protocol like SIP between the web 
> browser and its associated server(s) is that adding *any* 
> functionality requires a round of standardization effort, whereas 
> following the web model (HTML and Javascript in the clients, arbitrary 
> signaling over HTTP) allows for immediate and frequent innovation on 
> that channel.
>
> Matthew Kaufman
>