Re: [rtcweb] Proposed Video Selection Process

Maik Merten <maikmerten@googlemail.com> Thu, 21 November 2013 21:07 UTC

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Am 21.11.2013 21:52, schrieb Martin Thomson:
> And I find the argument raised quite compelling.  It's hard to justify
> spending valuable time and resources on implementing something that
> crappy.

The justification would be "to enable P2P video interoperability, at 
least on a basic level". Interoperability apparently sometimes (often? 
always?) comes at a price.

However, I'm completely with you: It *is* (very!) unfortunate that IPR 
concerns seem to block anything but technologically vastly outdated formats.


Maik