Re: [rtcweb] Video codec selection - way forward
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 21 November 2013 20:18 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:17:45 -0800
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Steve Kann <stevek@stevek.com> wrote: > > Do you plan to open-source your codec option generator? It would make > modifying the list much more efficient. > I was thinking of distributing it as a binary module you could link into your mail client. -Ekr > > > > -Sent from an iOS mobile device > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > > I would like to propose some additional alternatives. > > SHOULD: Theora > MUST: Theora > SHOULD: H.261 > SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora > SHOULD: H.263 > SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.263 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora > SHOULD: VP8 > SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 > SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: VP8 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: VP8 H.263 > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora > SHOULD: H.264 > SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 > SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 > SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.263; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > MUST: H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 Theora > MUST: H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 VP8 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 > MUST: VP8; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > MUST: VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.263 > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 H.261 > MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: H.264 Theora > MUST: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.264 > MUST: H.264 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264 H.263 > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.264 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.263; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: VP8 Theora > MUST: H.264 H.263 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: VP8 > MUST: H.264 VP8 > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261; SHOULD: H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.261 Theora; SHOULD: H.263 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263; SHOULD: H.261 Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 Theora; SHOULD: H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261; SHOULD: Theora > MUST: H.264 VP8 H.263 H.261 Theora > SHOULD do 1 of {H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 3 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} > SHOULD do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > SHOULD do 4 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.263, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.263, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 3 of {VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 3 of {H.264, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, Theora} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261} > MUST do 1 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 2 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 3 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > MUST do 4 of {H.264, VP8, H.263, H.261, Theora} > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote: > >> >> Added a >> >> #11 • MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264 CBP, H.263} >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:20 AM, David Singer <singer@apple.com> wrote: >> >> > Chairs >> > >> > can we add this as an option to the formal list, so we get formal >> feedback on its acceptability, please? >> > >> > “Like option ??, pick at least two of {VP8, H.264 CBP, H.263}” >> > >> > >> > I think this may be the best (maybe only) way to tease out how much >> risk people perceive. >> > >> > Many thanks >> > >> > On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:22 , Maik Merten <maikmerten@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Cleary H.263 is preferable from an engineering standpoint (as is, >> e.g., MPEG-1 Part 2): better performance, more deployments. The central >> question is, however, if those can actually be implemented without some >> sort of licensing. >> >> >> >> If they can: Aweseome! However, this may not be determinable without a >> review by people who are knowledgeable in the field of IPR, i.e., "actual >> lawyers". I understand that H.263 is not yet old enough to automatically be >> considered "safe" (and neither is MPEG-1 Part 2, although it is closer). >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Maik >> >> >> >> Am 20.11.2013 20:42, schrieb David Singer: >> >>> I think we should think hard about H.263 instead of H.261 as the >> third fallback. Why? >> >>> >> >>> http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.263/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> H.263 was first published in March 1996, so it's 17 years old. The >> restrictions (e.g. on picture size) are no WORSE than H.261. Yes, more >> recent amendments deal with this (and a plethora of other issues), so we’d >> need to settle on which of those are mandatory (the usual profiling >> discussion). >> >>> >> >>> There are 34 records in the patent database against H.261, mostly >> from 1989 but one as recent as 2005 (though that is a re-file). That's 2.2 >> (reciprocity), as was one other I checked. >> >>> >> >>> Rather surprisingly, there are only 31 against H.263! The most >> recent is 2011, and is also option 2. Most are 1997-2001. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On this quick glance, H.263 appears no worse than H.261. IANAL (as I >> am sure you have all noticed). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> H.263 is much more widely supported and mandated. It has been >> mandated in the 3GPP specs for years (for lots of services, including >> videoconf), and is effectively the fallback codec today in the industry, as >> I understand. It was ubiquitous in video telephony for years, and I >> suspect many of those systems still ship it. >> >>> >> >>> So, would “MUST implement at least two of (H.264, VP8, H.263)” work? >> >>> >> >>> (I am asking the question, not even answering on behalf of my >> company, yet. Let’s get the issues on the table.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> David Singer >> >>> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> rtcweb mailing list >> >>> rtcweb@ietf.org >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> rtcweb mailing list >> >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> > >> > David Singer >> > Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > rtcweb mailing list >> > rtcweb@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > >
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