Re: BFD stability follow-up from IETF-91

Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com> Mon, 08 December 2014 06:13 UTC

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:43:08 +0530
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Subject: Re: BFD stability follow-up from IETF-91
From: Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com>
To: Santosh P K <santoshpk@juniper.net>
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Cool. I had multihop in my mind.

Cheers, Manav

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Santosh P K <santoshpk@juniper.net> wrote:

>  Hello Mac and Manav,
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>      Are we just talking about singlehop? How about MPLS BFD and multihop
> where echo does not work?
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> Thanks
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> Santosh P K
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> *From:* Rtg-bfd [mailto:rtg-bfd-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Manav
> Bhatia
> *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2014 9:33 AM
> *To:* Marc Binderberger
> *Cc:* rtg-bfd@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: BFD stability follow-up from IETF-91
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> Hi Marc,
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> * Greg's echo idea is of course do-able - when you think timestamping in
> hardware can be done then it can be done in the forwarding path for echos
> as
> well. Depends on your hardware :-) and on an agreed (minimal) format for
> echo. As mentioned BFD echo is not defined/used for multiple BFD features,
> which limits it's use though.
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> For the echo mechanism to work, do you agree that you would have to
> continuously send Echos so that you can detect the issue?
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> Or are you suggesting that once BFD flaps we will start sending Echoes
> overloaded with debug information to detect the issue?
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> I'd like to understand this before the mailing list sees a barrage of
> emails. Alternatively, we can also take it offline and only report the
> summary of our discussion to the list.
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> Cheers, Manav
>