Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-04.txt
"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Sat, 06 January 2018 23:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-04.txt
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Juliusz: Are your users only using proprietary management? Or are they using another open source management mechanism? Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:jch@irif.fr] Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 12:21 PM To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Susan Hares; David Schinazi; Alia Atlas; Russ White; rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-04.txt >> for example, saying that BABEL implementations SHOULD support >> NETCONF, a YANG model will be in a separate document, > I am fairly sure that such a statement would not reflect WG consensus. > Requiring a full YANG implementation (which includes, for a start, an > XML > parser) in every Babel implementation would be a sure way to kill the > protocol. I realise that I should clarify this. The simplicity and implementability of Babel is one of its main features. Babel can be explained to a lecture hall of fourth-year students in 40 minutes. Babel can be implemented in less than 1000 lines of Python code, and a stub implementation of Babel has been written that compiles to 12kB of text. Babel has been independently reimplemented three times, and in one case it took the author (Markus Stenberg) just two nights to do the implementation. Given how important for us it is that Babel is a conceptually simple and highly implementable protocol, I believe that it would be a tragic mistake to make Babel dependent on the arguably complex protocol stack that is NETCONF/YANG/XML. What is more -- Babel development has been driven by the needs of our users. While we have been actively discussing management issues with our userbase for the last years (I can send some pointers to the list if you're interested), none of our users have every requested support for YANG. Hence, by making Babel dependent on YANG, we would not be serving our constituency well. -- Juliusz
- [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-babel-r… Susan Hares
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Susan Hares
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Susan Hares
- [RTG-DIR] About Babel management [was: RTG-DIR QA… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [RTG-DIR] RTG-DIR QA review of draft-ietf-bab… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was… Susan Hares
- Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was… Alexander Vainshtein