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Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was: RTG-DIR QA review...]

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> Thu, 18 January 2018 16:30 UTC

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From: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>
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Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [babel] About Babel management [was: RTG-DIR QA review...]
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> Sorry I didn't pick from your 1 - 4 options, but I hope this provides
> you with the information you need?

I'll just add one comment, since Susan might want some more insight into
the culture of this WG.

The main contributors to this WG have been working very hard to establish
a tradition of working code.  I'm fairly positive that every single Babel
draft, whether adopted by this WG or written before the WG was established,
does reflect implementation experience.

We're very serious about that.  For instance, the people working on
DTLS-based Babel security have agreed not to write anything up until we've
got at least one proof-of-concept implementation (hopefully two, fingers
crossed).

I don't think anyone here would be opposed to writing up and standardising
a YANG model for Babel should one be implemented first.  However, since
none of the implementations of Babel speak Netconf, and since until now
the users of Babel have not been asking for Netconf-based management, this
is not something that's likely to happen in the immediate future.

Should we find out that either the users or the implementers are requesting
Netconf, a YANG model would become much more likely.

-- Juliusz

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