Re: FW: I-D Action: draft-retana-rtgwg-eacp-01.txt

Russ White <russw@riw.us> Sat, 23 March 2013 14:37 UTC

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> So before anyone writes any more problem statements, requirements,
> frameworks, or complete solutions for energy aware networks, we need
> to have some research and some hard facts about where energy goes and
> where there are opportunities to save energy.  We also should be
> asking whether providers and high end network equipment vendors see a
> need for any protocol work in this area.  So far the answer is a
> resounding "no".

I actually disagree...

The point of this draft is to guide the research into what would make
sense and what wouldn't, not to make a definitive statement. I
understand the perspective that, "if it doesn't save x amount of power,
it's not worth doing..."

But technology changes, after all, and in just a few short years the
answer to that question might well change. So, if we come to the point
where the answer changes, how have we defined the question?

This draft is about defining the questions that need to be asked, not
about doing work in answering those questions.

Different topic, IMHO.

:-)

Russ