Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-trill-rfc6439bis-03

Shawn M Emery <shawn.emery@oracle.com> Fri, 13 January 2017 00:22 UTC

Return-Path: <shawn.emery@oracle.com>
X-Original-To: secdir@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: secdir@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6212955E for <secdir@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:22:16 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.419
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.419 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D_lCG0QroNtn for <secdir@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:22:15 -0800 (PST)
Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1A11129554 for <secdir@ietf.org>; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:22:14 -0800 (PST)
Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0D0MB7D020665 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:22:12 GMT
Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0D0MB22015466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:22:11 GMT
Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0D0M962005231; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:22:10 GMT
Received: from [10.154.98.66] (/10.154.98.66) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:22:09 -0800
From: Shawn M Emery <shawn.emery@oracle.com>
To: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
References: <92774159-d56b-cc7f-b5cd-b8e17d038475@oracle.com> <10ed6c45-a8a7-e62e-78fb-62631442f4b9@oracle.com> <CAF4+nEGv95DatWkjrFnh9H9qhwtc0fz+OOs-TqZhxaLeiGovyw@mail.gmail.com> <4a04ae5b-f30c-303e-e035-aa3819c1f691@oracle.com> <CAF4+nEEy6pqri=kA5U5EYYNPmfnMtEW3UKxvni2_wqVyktbZfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f2e1a301-bc2b-d8bc-6a79-aab83f70c737@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:24:48 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS i86pc; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAF4+nEEy6pqri=kA5U5EYYNPmfnMtEW3UKxvni2_wqVyktbZfw@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A336AD94DB98670C636C415D"
X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/secdir/4C8avaHwIcjqlBe85V7JnzSs2wQ>
Cc: draft-ietf-trill-rfc6439bis.all@tools.ietf.org, "secdir@ietf.org" <secdir@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-trill-rfc6439bis-03
X-BeenThere: secdir@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: Security Area Directorate <secdir.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/secdir>, <mailto:secdir-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/secdir/>
List-Post: <mailto:secdir@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:secdir-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir>, <mailto:secdir-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:22:17 -0000

On 01/11/17 11:56 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> Hi Shawn,
>
> A version -04 has been uploaded with these fixes.

I have just one suggested update, provided that the update is an 
accurate statement:

OLD:
As such, they are securable through the addition to those PDUs 
Authentication TLVs [RFC5310] in the same way as Hellos or other IS-IS PDUs.

NEW:
Therefore, they are securable through the addition of Authentication 
TLVs [RFC5310] in the same way as Hellos or other IS-IS PDUs.

and one editorial:

s/It this case/In this case/

The rest of the changes looks good to me.

Thanks,

Shawn.
-- 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Shawn M Emery<shawn.emery@oracle.com>  wrote:
>> On 01/10/17 06:03 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments. See below.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Shawn M Emery<shawn.emery@oracle.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
>>>> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.
>>>> These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security
>>>> area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these
>>>> comments just like any other last call comments.
>>>>
>>>> This draft updates the Appointed Forwarders mechanism (RFC 6439);
>>>> which supports multiple TRILL switches that handle native traffic
>>>> to and from end stations on a single link.
>>>>
>>>> The security considerations section does exist and states that this
>>>> update does not change the security properties of the TRILL base
>>>> protocol.  The section goes on to state that the Port-Shutdown message
>>>> SHOULD be secured through the Tunnel Channel protocol (which is in draft
>>>> state).  Was this intended to be a normative reference?
>>> That reference is out of date. draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel has
>>> issued as RFC 7978. That should be updated and I agree that this
>>> should be a normative reference.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>>> The section quickly
>>>> finishes with a reference to Authentication TLVs as a way to secure
>>>> E-LICS
>>>> FS-LSPs traffic.  I'm not a TRILL expert and therefore find it difficult
>>>> to
>>>> distinguish between the usage of Tunnel Channels and Authentication TLVs
>>>> for
>>>> securing Port Shutdown messaging.  Could you please clarify?
>>> "Channel Tunnel", although left in the draft name for convenience, was
>>> basically changed to RBridge Header Extension. This is a way to add a
>>> layer of header to RBridge Channel messages (specified in RFC 7178) to
>>> secure their content. The Authentication TLV is an IS-IS TLV and
>>> including that TLV in an IS-IS PDU can be used to secure the content
>>> of the PDU. Some text can be added to clarify this.
>> Ah, I see.  Yes, clarifying text would be helpful for the nascent reader.
>>
>>>> General comments:
>>>>
>>>> None.
>>>>
>>>> Editorial comments:
>>>>
>>>> s/the need to "inhibition"/the need for "inhibition"/
>>>> s/forarding/forwarding/
>>>> s/two optimization/two optimizations/
>>>> s/messages are build/messages are built/
>>> Thanks for spotting those. We'll fix them.
>> No problem.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Shawn.
>> --