Re: [secdir] [Uta] [Last-Call] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Thu, 14 July 2022 03:21 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:21:23 -0700
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 8:07 PM Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
wrote:

> On desktop PCs and servers perhaps, but in embedded the very fact that you
> need two sets of codebases means many systems will stay with 1.2, possibly
> forever ...
>

First of all, thank you for bothering to respond. The thread called "A
mighty fortress is our PKI" is one of my favorites.

I don't understand your rationale here, though.

thanks,
Rob