Re: [Secdispatch] [Smart] New Version Notification for draft-lazanski-smart-users-internet-00.txt

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Sun, 14 July 2019 10:56 UTC

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:56:42 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] [Smart] New Version Notification for draft-lazanski-smart-users-internet-00.txt
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Hi Melinda,

>  We
> typically deal with wireline protocols and their support
> structures, and I'm hoping that as the discussions progress
> people can be clear about what they'd like to see from the
> IETF.

I think you’re primarily referring to leaky user databases here.  I agree with you that we cannot fix organizations’ bad internal code with a wireline protocol.  However, to exploit the vulnerability, the attack had to come from somewhere.  We already have one mechanism to address profiling with IoT that manufacturers can use to keep their systems from being exploited as BoTs.  The next question is whether we should be promoting or improving other mechanisms to provide people at home and elsewhere more visibility in terms of what their general purpose computing devices are doing.  I’m thinking of PCP in particular.  And while there may be more we can do, there may also be some limitations relating not only to privacy but also economics of web services.

What I like about Dominique’s draft is that it gets us thinking in those directions (or at least it did me).

> 
> I do think that some of this may be appropriate for opsec,
> as well, or at least should be called to their attention.

Or an RG or a side meeting.  It would be fun to continue the discussion.

Eliot

> 
> Melinda
> 
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> Melinda Shore
> melinda.shore@nomountain.net
> 
> Software longa, hardware brevis
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