Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of repository data" into BGP
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Thu, 29 March 2012 07:22 UTC
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From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
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Subject: Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of repository data" into BGP
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:02:24PM -0400, Danny McPherson wrote: > On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:19 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > > Per my mic comment at IETF 83: > > During the San Diego interim session we had discussed potentially signaling > > in BGP the idea that a given AS may have fresher data available in its > > repository. > > Shouldn't this problem be solved in the resource certification infrastructure (i.e., RPKI) - signaling RPKI freshness in BGP and distributing to literally millions of routers seems like a REALLY bad idea to me. One "route" per AS in the system which is a 20byte value max (per the cert) hardly seems that scary. :-) But that said, I don't object to some sort of mechanism used as part of the RPKI infra would do such a "you may want to refresh" request. My thought is that since the certs in question are required for validation, the routing system already has a strong interest in making sure downstreams can validate (or invalidate!) routes. -- Jeff
- [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of repository… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Terry Manderson
- [sidr] Freshness belt and suspenders .... DougM lists
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Joel jaeggli
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Andrew Lange
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… DougM lists
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Andy Newton
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Arturo Servin
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Matthias Waehlisch
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sidr] Injecting idea of "freshness of reposi… Eric Osterweil