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Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> Sun, 11 March 2018 14:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] New Version Notification for draft-sriram-sidrops-drop-invalid-policy-00.txt
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> On 11 Mar 2018, at 9:24 am, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 at 14:21, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps what is lacking in the semantics of RPKI is a "kill roa”.
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huston-sidr-bogons/
> 
> 
> What happened to that draft?

It was unceremoniously killed due to extreme distaste on the part of various folk who represented themselves as members of the crypto zealotry group. I also suspect that the authors’ efforts to use the term “boa constrictor" at least once the draft was seen as a juvenile attempt at humour. :-) I guess you just had to be there! 

More seriously, the draft encountered fatal levels of criticism over the concept of this form of validated negation.

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