Re: [Sidrops] New Version Notification for draft-sriram-sidrops-drop-invalid-policy-00.txt

"Borchert, Oliver (Fed)" <oliver.borchert@nist.gov> Thu, 15 March 2018 20:15 UTC

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From: "Borchert, Oliver (Fed)" <oliver.borchert@nist.gov>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] New Version Notification for draft-sriram-sidrops-drop-invalid-policy-00.txt
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Sure, if the "accidental mis-origination" is the only origination made, DISR will not drop the invalid
and ROV did not help at all in preventing the particular "accidental mis-origination".
If on the other hand the "accidental mis-origination" is covered by another route, it will be dropped
and in this case ROV did prevent the " accidental mis-origination" from being propagated.

What DISR does, it allows to deploy a softer "drop invalid" without the danger of losing connectivity 
until the operator decides to turn off DISR and "drop invalid". 

At the end, it is all local policy what to do with invalid. DISR just provides a defined
algorithm on how to act upon ROV results during the deployment stage by reducing 
loss of reachability due to "mis-configuration" lack of ROA's etc.

Oliver

On 3/14/18, 12:13 AM, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote:

    > DISR allows a safe “drop invalid” as long as it is still routable.
    
    read that again with the goal of rpki-based origin validation, stopping
    accidental mis-originations, in mind.
    
    randy