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Re: [Sidrops] New Version Notification for draft-sriram-sidrops-drop-invalid-policy-00.txt

Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> Sun, 11 March 2018 14:25 UTC

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:25:00 +0000
From: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
To: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] New Version Notification for draft-sriram-sidrops-drop-invalid-policy-00.txt
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On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:14:45AM -0400, Geoff Huston wrote:
> > On 11 Mar 2018, at 9:24 am, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 at 14:21, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps what is lacking in the semantics of RPKI is a "kill roa”.
> > 
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huston-sidr-bogons/
> > 
> > What happened to that draft?
> 
> It was unceremoniously killed due to extreme distaste on the part of
> various folk who represented themselves as members of the crypto
> zealotry group. I also suspect that the authors’ efforts to use the
> term “boa constrictor" at least once the draft was seen as a juvenile
> attempt at humour. :-) I guess you just had to be there! 
> 
> More seriously, the draft encountered fatal levels of criticism over
> the concept of this form of validated negation.

Given that ~ 10 years have passed, and there are now give or take 5
autonomous systems doing Origin Validation, perhaps some of the folks
involved back then would be willing to reconsider their opinion? :)

Kind regards,

Job

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