RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels
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Subject: RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:21:09 +0200
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Barry, One concern I have about making this change is that we had a WG last call on the draft. Brian raised the point, but there wasn't much support for his proposal at the time. We've had a few bake-offs & a few implementations have been made. I don't know the best procedure for fixing this. Perhaps if someone had a proposal and got strong support from the WG, something might be done, but the IESG generally frowns upon things like that. John > -----Original Message----- > From: sigtran-admin@ietf.org > [mailto:sigtran-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > ext Barry Nagelberg > Sent: 19 February, 2004 15:53 > To: sigtran@ietf.org > Cc: sgilchrist@connetcom.com > Subject: RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels > > > > It is not good enough to simply state in the draft that the "Label > procedures are OPTIONAL.". > > As I noted earlier, there is no mechanism through which the > SGP can indicate > to the ASP that it doesn't support the > TID Label parameter in the ASPAC message (there is no "Unsupported > parameter" error code). > > So when an ASP implementation _does_ send the TID and/or DRM > labels to an > SGP that does not support them, we will be in > "non-interoperability hell". > The ASP will assume that the SGP is supporting the labels, > while in reality > the SGP will not be supporting them. The ASP will receive > transaction IDs > that it does not expect. > > These procedures must either be fixed or removed. Why are we > rushing to push > through a flawed draft? > > Barry Nagelberg > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:57 AM > > To: john.loughney@nokia.com > > Cc: barryn@adax.com; sigtran@ietf.org; sgilchrist@connetcom.com > > Subject: Re: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels > > > > > > John, > > > > John Loughney wrote: > > (Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:11:08) > > > Hi Brian, > > > > > > > If you look back to the thread "SUA-09: SCCP > Connections and TCAP > > > > Transactions" from Dec 2001/Jan 2002, you will find that at that > > > > "late date" it was too late to remove or fix the > labels. In that > > > > thread there was a proposal for a working solution. > The draft was > > > > advanced to IESG LC Feb 2002. Now, two years later, it > is neither > > > > fixed nor removed, and it is still a late date. At > this rate, expect > > > > corrections some time in 2006, if, of course, it is not > still too > > > > late by then ;) > > > > > > > > I am concerned, however, that the approach is not > clearly marked as > > > > optional. Which it should be and was always intended > to be. That > > > > change can certainly be made before SUA goes out the > door (unless > > > > the authors have been stripped ala M3UA). > > > > > > If you want to send text and get support, I can probably > make the text > > > change - if the text change is not too substantial. > > > > > > Delays due to IESG issues are beyond my control. > > > > Proposed text addition: "Label procedures are OPTIONAL." > > > > --brian > > > > > > > > John > > > > -- > > Brian F. G. Bidulock > > bidulock@openss7.org > > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels john.loughney
- [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Barry Nagelberg
- Re: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Barry Nagelberg
- Re: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels john.loughney
- Re: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels john.loughney
- Re: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Barry Nagelberg
- Re: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels john.loughney
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Tolga Asveren
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels john.loughney
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Barry Nagelberg
- RE: [Sigtran] SUA v16: TID and DRM labels Barry Nagelberg