Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01

Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu> Wed, 02 March 2005 19:03 UTC

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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:59:58 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01
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Also, applications like "reverse 911" (community emergency alert 
systems) would be severely hampered by such approaches. With verifiable 
source domains and domain-level trust mechanisms, I think we have better 
tools at hand that don't require the 'make everyone suffer' approach.

Michael Thomas wrote:
> The big problem I have with hashcash is the advent of 
> zombie armies. With them in mind, about them only
> thing you do is punish legitimate UA's with itsy-bitsy
> CPU's, and leave the spammers essentially unaffected 
> with their near limitless CPU resources.

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