Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01
Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu> Wed, 02 March 2005 21:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01
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They could, but are unlikely to be, simply because people won't remember to put all of the services they subscribed to into their whitelists, particularly ones that they are not going to hear from regularly. Even if the large majority of people were to whitelist the service, a modest fraction of forgetful users would significantly slow down the system as it would have to deal with thousands of destinations. (Similar considerations, with less of life-and-death flavor, apply to all kinds of notification systems, from airline flight notification to school closings.) Depending on where the hashcash is computed, one would have to do the whitelisting on every new device. We can't even synchronize cell phone address books reliably... Before we recommend that we waste computing resources across the Internet, with dubious performance, it seems appropriate to investigate socially more responsible alternatives. Cullen Jennings wrote: > Presumable these services would be white listed and use Identity. > > > On 3/2/05 10:59 AM, "Henning Schulzrinne" <hgs@cs.columbia.edu> wrote: > > >>Also, applications like "reverse 911" (community emergency alert >>systems) would be severely hampered by such approaches. With verifiable >>source domains and domain-level trust mechanisms, I think we have better >>tools at hand that don't require the 'make everyone suffer' approach. >> >>Michael Thomas wrote: >> >>>The big problem I have with hashcash is the advent of >>>zombie armies. With them in mind, about them only >>>thing you do is punish legitimate UA's with itsy-bitsy >>>CPU's, and leave the spammers essentially unaffected >>>with their near limitless CPU resources. _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
- [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Dan Wing
- RE: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Francois Audet
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Dan Wing
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Michael Thomas
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Henning Schulzrinne
- [Sip] jennings-sip-hashcash - does it help - does… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Cullen Jennings
- [Sip] Re: jennings-sip-hashcash - does it help - … Michael Thomas
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Henning Schulzrinne
- [Sip] Re: jennings-sip-hashcash - does it help - … Jonathan Rosenberg
- RE: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Francois Audet
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 David R Oran
- RE: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Francois Audet
- RE: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Francois Audet
- Re: [Sip] draft-jennings-sip-hashcash-01 Cullen Jennings