RE: [Sipping] Text support in SIP phones

Henry Sinnreich <Henry.Sinnreich@mci.com> Mon, 02 June 2003 08:04 UTC

Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA27248 for <sipping-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5284Rt20849 for sipping-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:04:27 -0400
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5284RB20846 for <sipping-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:04:27 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA27199 for <sipping-web-archive@ietf.org>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:04:24 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19MkH9-0000m3-00 for sipping-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:02:39 -0400
Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19MkH9-0000m0-00 for sipping-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 04:02:39 -0400
Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5283aB20718; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:03:36 -0400
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4RGKWB00368 for <sipping@optimus.ietf.org>; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:20:32 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18748 for <sipping@ietf.org>; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19KhA7-0005vF-00 for sipping@ietf.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:18:55 -0400
Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com ([199.249.20.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19KhA6-0005v8-00 for sipping@ietf.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 12:18:55 -0400
Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0HFJ002DKZZLP7@firewall.wcom.com> for sipping@ietf.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:18:57 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.7 (built May 7 2002)) with SMTP id <0HFJ00A01ZWW59@dgismtp03.wcomnet.com>; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:18:57 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from hsinnreich2 ([166.35.136.36]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.7 (built May 7 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HFJ0089CZXOYV@dgismtp03.wcomnet.com>; Tue, 27 May 2003 16:18:12 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:17:49 -0500
From: Henry Sinnreich <Henry.Sinnreich@mci.com>
Subject: RE: [Sipping] Text support in SIP phones
In-reply-to: <NFBBJHOFMDBFILNPMNGKEEMIDPAA.gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>
To: 'Gunnar Hellström' <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>, "'Sipping@Ietf. Org'" <sipping@ietf.org>, "'Sipforum-Discussion@Lists. Su. Se'" <sipforum-discussion@lists.su.se>
Cc: 'Henry Sinnreich' <Henry.Sinnreich@mci.com>
Message-id: <002501c3246b$929cdc40$248823a6@hsinnreich2>
Organization: WorldCom, Inc.
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416
Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h4RGKcB00369
Sender: sipping-admin@ietf.org
Errors-To: sipping-admin@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: sipping@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping>, <mailto:sipping-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Id: SIPPING Working Group (applications of SIP) <sipping.ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:sipping@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sipping-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping>, <mailto:sipping-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h5283aB20718
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h5284RB20846
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Gunnar, this all seems very reasonable, and I will try to insert it
properly.

Henry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sipping-admin@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-admin@ietf.org] 
> On Behalf Of Gunnar Hellström
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:54 PM
> To: 'Sipping@Ietf. Org'; Sipforum-Discussion@Lists. Su. Se
> Cc: Henry Sinnreich
> Subject: [Sipping] Text support in SIP phones
> 
> 
> Sorry, I missed out the reference to the SIP device specification.
> 
> Henry and all,
> 
> Some time ago, I suggested addition of support for real time 
> text communication to the SIP device specification 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sinnreich-sipdev-req-00.txt
> 
> This was the simple part of the proposal:
> 
> > SIP-zz, digital text support: SIP telephone devices MUST support
> >   real time text conversation using RFC 2793 [y] for the 
> text stream.
> >   It MUST be possible to use text simultaneously with voice.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > In 4.11 Ringer Behaviour  : add the section below for the 
> purpose of 
> > deaf, hearing impaired, deaf-blind people and people in the 
> garden and 
> > noisy
> > locations:
> >
> > SIP Telephony devices MUST provide an external interface to an 
> > external alerting system.
> >
> >
> >
> > Add to References
> > -----------------
> > [y] G. Hellstrom: "RTP Payload for Text Conversation.", RFC 2793, 
> > IETF, May 2000.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The reception of this proposal was very positive.
> Now, I would like to see the final formulation, and check 
> that we agree on it.
> 
> I regard this requirement to be very light. In the Interface 
> section ( e.g.
> Int-2) , there is already mentioning of mandatory text input 
> mechanisms, and assumptions that a display would be normal, 
> since handling of phone books and buddy lists are mandatory. 
> To re-use these text interface devices during the call for 
> standardised text conversation purposes seems straightforward.
> 
> It could be wise to add the T.140 text presentation protocol 
> as a codec to the codec section. The normal SDP used together 
> with RFC2793 for text could also be specified. Do you want to do that?
> 
> 
> -----
> 
> We also need to check the ideas around the other proposed 
> requirements: The requirement to include text telephone modem 
> in all designs where an RJ11 phone connector exists, and the 
> requirement to support RFC 3351. I suggest that we start with 
> the straightforward and mainstream requirement above. Is that 
> accepted as it is?
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gunnar
> -------------------------------------------
> Gunnar Hellström, Omnitor, Renathvägen 2
> SE 121 37 Johanneshov, SWEDEN
> Tel: +46 8 556 002 03  Mob: +46 708204288
> e-mail: gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se
> web: www.omnitor.se
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sipping mailing list  https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping
> This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP
> Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current 
> sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
> 

_______________________________________________
Sipping mailing list  https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping
This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP
Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip
Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP