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Re: [Softwires] MAP documents - next steps

Maoke <fibrib@gmail.com> Thu, 02 February 2012 09:28 UTC

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2012/2/2 Rémi Després <despres.remi@laposte.net>

>
>
> 2. (because) RFC6145 has provided (not thorough but) good enough
> transparency when used in double translation, and accordingly it is NOT
> needed to be updated;
>
>
> Full transparency, based on clear theory, remains AFAIK better than "good
> enough" based on some collected statistic at a given time.
>

as i stated, we want to have better transparency but only if it is not
costly and the solution has no other obvious flaws.


>
> 3. carrying ICMPv4 directly in IPv6 payload will be a harmful idea and
> less feasible.
>
>
> I don't see where you see that ICMPv4 payload tunneled in a mapped header
> isn't easily feasible.
>

not feasible in term of supporting the operation where the single/double
translations are needed simultaneously and are needed to be treated
statelessly.


>
> Stating it is harmful is of course not a proof.
> Discussion on this point can continue with more details in other e-amils
> based on configurations you have in mind.
>

i have proposed a concrete problem rather than a simple statement at least
twice in the past mail dialogues. ;-)

- maoke

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