Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting, 2011 Sep. 26-27

[Wojciech Dec <[e-mail]>]

All,

Ole's agenda is a big improvement, as in it addresses the concerns I (and
others voiced) in the past weeks. That said, to make the proceedings follow
a more structured  Introduction; Requirements; Details, sequence, I would
like to propose the following (changes in the order of things proposed by
Ole):

1. Intro, logistics, chairs

2. Stateless IPv4 address sharing overview and requirements

 2.1 General
 - Satoru:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00
 - Wojciech: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6-03
 - Xiaohong:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-softwire-stateless-requirements-00

2.2 Operator's perspectives
 - Satoru: An operator's view, address mapping in particular with our cases
 - Xing: The operational requiements and the experience of the single and
dual
 stateless translation concerning CERNET (IPv4) and CNGI-CERNET2 (IPv6).
- ChongfengXie ChinaTelecom
- Hui Deng: Operator's Comparision between encapsulation and translation

3. Stateless solutions and mechanisms

  3.1. dIVI
 - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
 - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi

  3.2. 4rd
 - Tetsuya: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00

  3.3 SMAP
 - Xiaohong:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
 - Xiaohong:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results-01

3.4 SA46T-AS
 - Naoki: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-as-00

4 Summary:
  - Ole Troan: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
 - All: Day 1 summary & initial conclusions

Tuesday:

 5.1. Stateless address mapping algorithms
 - Ole port algorithm requirements, selection criteria
 - Remi:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-stateless-analysis-tool-00
 - Xiaohong:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00
-  Jacni Qin:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping-00

5.2. DS-lite enhancements (4over6, NAT bypass...)

6. Day 2 & Meeting Conclusions

Regards,
Woj.

On 25 September 2011 15:28, Ole Troan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> all,
>
> we're working on many interrelated problems:
>
> 1. DS-lite with A+P (SMAP)
> 2. Provisioning of IPv4 over DS-lite (4over6)
> 3. Stateless IPv4 address sharing over IPv6 (4rd, dIVI)
> 4. Stateless IPv4 over IPv6 tunneling (SA46)
>
> given that the main focus of the interim is 3. let me propose an
> alternative agenda for Monday.
> same topics, just different structure.
>
> Monday:
> 1. Intro, logistics, chairs
>
> 2. Stateless IPv4 address sharing overview and requirements
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-softwire-stateless-requirements-00
>  - Satoru:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00
>  - Wojciech: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6-03
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results-01
>
>  2.1. dIVI
>  - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>  - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>
>  2.2. 4rd
>  - Tetsuya: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>
>  2.3 Summary:
>   - Ole Troan: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>   - Hui Deng: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>
>  2.4. Stateless address mapping algorithms
>  - Ole port algorithm requirements, selection criteria
>  - Remi:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-stateless-analysis-tool-00
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00
>
> Tuesday:
> 3. DS-lite enhancements (4over6, NAT bypass...)
> 4. Operator-session
> 5. Conclusions
>
> cheers,
> Ole
>
> > ===================================================
> >                     AGENDA
> > ===================================================
> > ---------------9/26 Monday 9:00-17:30---------------
> >
> > FIT BUILDING 1-315, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
> >
> > 1.Intro, logistic (30min) - Chairs
> > 9:00-9:30
> > Taxonomy, problem space: (stateful/stateless, translation/tunneling,
> etc.)
> > Starting point: operator-driven Stateless motivation draft and the
> > 4-quadrant discussion at Quebec
> > Goal: have a common terminology
> >
> >
> > 2. Deep Dive (7hours) - Chairs and presenters
> > Technical dive in all proposal as they stand today
> > Goal: understand the various proposals according to the common
> terminology
> > and how they fit in the problem space
> > Goal2: Refine terminology/problem space as we go
> >
> > 9:30-10:30 Xiaohong Deng
> > 1. Architectural considerations of Stateless A+P with a focus on SMAP
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
> > 2. DHCPv6 Options for Shared IP Addresses Solutions
> >
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dhcpv6-shared-address-option-00
> >
> > 10:30-10:45 Coffee break
> >
> > 10:45-11:15 Peng Wu
> > DHCPv4 over IPv6
> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cui-softwire-dhcp-over-tunnel
> >
> > 11:15-12:15 Naoki Matsuhira
> > Motivation for developing SA46T and SA46T-AS
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-motivation-00
> > SA46T & SA46T-AS technology dive
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-spec-02
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-as-00
> >
> > --------------- 12:15-13:30 Lunch ---------------
> >
> > 13:30-14:00 Tetsuya Murakami
> > IPv4 Residual Deployment on IPv6 infrastructure - protocol specification
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
> >
> > 14:00-14:30 Jacni Qin
> > Stateless Address Mapping for IPv4 Residual Deployment (4rd)
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping-00
> >
> > 14:30-15:30 Wojciech Dec
> > 1. Stateless 4Via6 Address Sharing
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6
> > 2. Stateless port mapping algorithms overview
> >
> > 15:30-15:45Coffee break
> >
> > 15:45-16:15 Qiong Sun
> > Lightweight 4over6
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cui-softwire-b4-translated-ds-lite-01
> >
> > 16:15-17:15 Xing Li
> > 1. dIVI-pd: Dual-Stateless IPv4/IPv6 Translation with Prefix Delegation
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
> > 2. dIVI: Dual-Stateless IPv4/IPv6 Translation
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
> >
> > 17:30-21:00 Socail Event (depart at FIT West Lobby at 17:30)
> >
> >
> > --------------- Tuesday 8:30-17:30 ---------------
> >
> > 8:30-9:00 CERNET Operation Center tour (FIT 1-101, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY)
> >
> > FIT BUILDING 1-315, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
> >
> > 9:00-10:00 Gang Chen
> > 1. 4via6 Stateless Translation
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00
> > 2. Prefix Delegation in 4V6
> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-softwire-4v6-pd-00.txt
> >
> > 10:00-10:30 Xiaohong Deng
> > DS-Lite AFTR NAT Bypass: Co-located B4 and NAT Model
> > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-zhou-softwire-b4-nat-02.txt
> >
> > 10:30-10:45 Coffee break
> >
> >
> > 3.Invited talks from operators (90min)
> > Operator's perspective
> >
> > 10:45-11:15 Satoru Matsushima
> > An operator's view, address mapping in particular with our cases
> >
> > 11:15-11:45 Xing Li
> > The operational requiements and the experience of the single and dual
> > stateless translation concerning CERNET (IPv4) and CNGI-CERNET2 (IPv6).
> >
> > 11:45-12:15 ChongfengXie
> > ChinaTelecom
> >
> > --------------- 12:15-13:30 Lunch ---------------
> >
> >
> > FIT BUILDING 1-515, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
> >
> > 4.Divide& conquer (2 hours)
> > Map technologies into problem space
> > Goal: analyze overlaps & differences
> >
> > 13:30-14:00 Ole Troan
> > Comparision between encapsulation and translation
> >
> > 14:00-14:30 Linjian Song
> > Head compression
> >
> > 14:30-15:00 Hui Deng
> > Comparision between encapsulation and translation
> >
> > 15:00-15:30 Ole Troan
> > Port mapping rules
> >
> > 15:30-16:00 Rémi Després
> > Port mapping rules
> >
> > 16:00-16:30 Coffee break
> >
> > 5. Path forward (1 hour)
> > 16:30-17:30
> > Goal: evolution of technologies, integration with existing mechanism, gap
> > analysis
> > Goal: winnow down list of candidates
> > Chairs
> >
> >
> > Alain and Yong
> >
> >
> >
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