Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting, 2011 Sep. 26-27

[Hui Deng <[e-mail]>]

I agree this proposal to make this meeting has more clear target other than
scattered
just remind that there is orginal proposal about 4v6 translation

1. 4via6 Stateless Translation
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00
2. Prefix Delegation in 4V6
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-softwire-4v6-pd-00.txt

this two go to
3. Stateless solutions and mechanisms
thanks

-Hui
2011/9/25 Wojciech Dec <[e-mail]>

> All,
>
> Ole's agenda is a big improvement, as in it addresses the concerns I (and
> others voiced) in the past weeks. That said, to make the proceedings follow
> a more structured  Introduction; Requirements; Details, sequence, I would
> like to propose the following (changes in the order of things proposed by
> Ole):
>
>
> 1. Intro, logistics, chairs
>
> 2. Stateless IPv4 address sharing overview and requirements
>
>  2.1 General
>
>  - Satoru:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00
>  - Wojciech: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6-03
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-softwire-stateless-requirements-00
>
> 2.2 Operator's perspectives
>  - Satoru: An operator's view, address mapping in particular with our cases
>  - Xing: The operational requiements and the experience of the single and
> dual
>
>  stateless translation concerning CERNET (IPv4) and CNGI-CERNET2 (IPv6).
> - ChongfengXie ChinaTelecom
> - Hui Deng: Operator's Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>
> 3. Stateless solutions and mechanisms
>
>
>   3.1. dIVI
>  - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>  - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>
>   3.2. 4rd
>  - Tetsuya: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>
>   3.3 SMAP
>
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results-01
>
> 3.4 SA46T-AS
>  - Naoki: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-as-00
>
> 4 Summary:
>   - Ole Troan: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>  - All: Day 1 summary & initial conclusions
>
> Tuesday:
>
>  5.1. Stateless address mapping algorithms
>
>  - Ole port algorithm requirements, selection criteria
>  - Remi:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-stateless-analysis-tool-00
>  - Xiaohong:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00
> -  Jacni Qin:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping-00
>
> 5.2. DS-lite enhancements (4over6, NAT bypass...)
>
> 6. Day 2 & Meeting Conclusions
>
> Regards,
> Woj.
>
>
> On 25 September 2011 15:28, Ole Troan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> all,
>>
>> we're working on many interrelated problems:
>>
>> 1. DS-lite with A+P (SMAP)
>> 2. Provisioning of IPv4 over DS-lite (4over6)
>> 3. Stateless IPv4 address sharing over IPv6 (4rd, dIVI)
>> 4. Stateless IPv4 over IPv6 tunneling (SA46)
>>
>> given that the main focus of the interim is 3. let me propose an
>> alternative agenda for Monday.
>> same topics, just different structure.
>>
>> Monday:
>> 1. Intro, logistics, chairs
>>
>> 2. Stateless IPv4 address sharing overview and requirements
>>  - Xiaohong:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>>  - Xiaohong:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-softwire-stateless-requirements-00
>>  - Satoru:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00
>>  - Wojciech: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6-03
>>  - Xiaohong:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results-01
>>
>>  2.1. dIVI
>>  - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>>  - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>>
>>  2.2. 4rd
>>  - Tetsuya: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>>
>>  2.3 Summary:
>>  - Ole Troan: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>>  - Hui Deng: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>>
>>  2.4. Stateless address mapping algorithms
>>  - Ole port algorithm requirements, selection criteria
>>  - Remi:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-stateless-analysis-tool-00
>>  - Xiaohong:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00
>>
>> Tuesday:
>> 3. DS-lite enhancements (4over6, NAT bypass...)
>> 4. Operator-session
>> 5. Conclusions
>>
>> cheers,
>> Ole
>>
>> > ===================================================
>> >                     AGENDA
>> > ===================================================
>> > ---------------9/26 Monday 9:00-17:30---------------
>> >
>> > FIT BUILDING 1-315, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
>> >
>> > 1.Intro, logistic (30min) - Chairs
>> > 9:00-9:30
>> > Taxonomy, problem space: (stateful/stateless, translation/tunneling,
>> etc.)
>> > Starting point: operator-driven Stateless motivation draft and the
>> > 4-quadrant discussion at Quebec
>> > Goal: have a common terminology
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. Deep Dive (7hours) - Chairs and presenters
>> > Technical dive in all proposal as they stand today
>> > Goal: understand the various proposals according to the common
>> terminology
>> > and how they fit in the problem space
>> > Goal2: Refine terminology/problem space as we go
>> >
>> > 9:30-10:30 Xiaohong Deng
>> > 1. Architectural considerations of Stateless A+P with a focus on SMAP
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>> > 2. DHCPv6 Options for Shared IP Addresses Solutions
>> >
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dhcpv6-shared-address-option-00
>> >
>> > 10:30-10:45 Coffee break
>> >
>> > 10:45-11:15 Peng Wu
>> > DHCPv4 over IPv6
>> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cui-softwire-dhcp-over-tunnel
>> >
>> > 11:15-12:15 Naoki Matsuhira
>> > Motivation for developing SA46T and SA46T-AS
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-motivation-00
>> > SA46T & SA46T-AS technology dive
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-spec-02
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-as-00
>> >
>> > --------------- 12:15-13:30 Lunch ---------------
>> >
>> > 13:30-14:00 Tetsuya Murakami
>> > IPv4 Residual Deployment on IPv6 infrastructure - protocol specification
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>> >
>> > 14:00-14:30 Jacni Qin
>> > Stateless Address Mapping for IPv4 Residual Deployment (4rd)
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping-00
>> >
>> > 14:30-15:30 Wojciech Dec
>> > 1. Stateless 4Via6 Address Sharing
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6
>> > 2. Stateless port mapping algorithms overview
>> >
>> > 15:30-15:45Coffee break
>> >
>> > 15:45-16:15 Qiong Sun
>> > Lightweight 4over6
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cui-softwire-b4-translated-ds-lite-01
>> >
>> > 16:15-17:15 Xing Li
>> > 1. dIVI-pd: Dual-Stateless IPv4/IPv6 Translation with Prefix Delegation
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>> > 2. dIVI: Dual-Stateless IPv4/IPv6 Translation
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>> >
>> > 17:30-21:00 Socail Event (depart at FIT West Lobby at 17:30)
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------- Tuesday 8:30-17:30 ---------------
>> >
>> > 8:30-9:00 CERNET Operation Center tour (FIT 1-101, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY)
>> >
>> > FIT BUILDING 1-315, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
>> >
>> > 9:00-10:00 Gang Chen
>> > 1. 4via6 Stateless Translation
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00
>> > 2. Prefix Delegation in 4V6
>> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-softwire-4v6-pd-00.txt
>> >
>> > 10:00-10:30 Xiaohong Deng
>> > DS-Lite AFTR NAT Bypass: Co-located B4 and NAT Model
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-zhou-softwire-b4-nat-02.txt
>> >
>> > 10:30-10:45 Coffee break
>> >
>> >
>> > 3.Invited talks from operators (90min)
>> > Operator's perspective
>> >
>> > 10:45-11:15 Satoru Matsushima
>> > An operator's view, address mapping in particular with our cases
>> >
>> > 11:15-11:45 Xing Li
>> > The operational requiements and the experience of the single and dual
>> > stateless translation concerning CERNET (IPv4) and CNGI-CERNET2 (IPv6).
>> >
>> > 11:45-12:15 ChongfengXie
>> > ChinaTelecom
>> >
>> > --------------- 12:15-13:30 Lunch ---------------
>> >
>> >
>> > FIT BUILDING 1-515, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
>> >
>> > 4.Divide& conquer (2 hours)
>> > Map technologies into problem space
>> > Goal: analyze overlaps & differences
>> >
>> > 13:30-14:00 Ole Troan
>> > Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>> >
>> > 14:00-14:30 Linjian Song
>> > Head compression
>> >
>> > 14:30-15:00 Hui Deng
>> > Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>> >
>> > 15:00-15:30 Ole Troan
>> > Port mapping rules
>> >
>> > 15:30-16:00 Rémi Després
>> > Port mapping rules
>> >
>> > 16:00-16:30 Coffee break
>> >
>> > 5. Path forward (1 hour)
>> > 16:30-17:30
>> > Goal: evolution of technologies, integration with existing mechanism,
>> gap
>> > analysis
>> > Goal: winnow down list of candidates
>> > Chairs
>> >
>> >
>> > Alain and Yong
>> >
>> >
>> >
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