Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting, 2011 Sep. 26-27

[Satoru Matsushima <[e-mail]>]

On 2011/09/25, at 22:11, Ole Troan wrote:

>> Ole's agenda is a big improvement, as in it addresses the concerns I (and others voiced) in the past weeks. That said, to make the proceedings follow a more structured  Introduction; Requirements; Details, sequence, I would like to propose the following (changes in the order of things proposed by Ole):
> 
> after meeting with the chairs this afternoon, I understand their reasoning for the original agenda and I'm fine with keeping it as originally proposed.
> 


I think that it sounds good to have Ole and Woj suggested agenda. But I'd like to know what their reasoning for the original agenda. Could you share it with us?

--satoru


> cheers,
> Ole
> 
> 
>> 
>> 1. Intro, logistics, chairs
>> 
>> 2. Stateless IPv4 address sharing overview and requirements
>> 
>> 2.1 General
>> - Satoru: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00
>> - Wojciech: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6-03
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-softwire-stateless-requirements-00
>> 
>> 2.2 Operator's perspectives
>> - Satoru: An operator's view, address mapping in particular with our cases
>> - Xing: The operational requiements and the experience of the single and dual
>> stateless translation concerning CERNET (IPv4) and CNGI-CERNET2 (IPv6).
>> - ChongfengXie ChinaTelecom
>> - Hui Deng: Operator's Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>> 
>> 3. Stateless solutions and mechanisms
>> 
>>  3.1. dIVI
>> - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>> - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>> 
>>  3.2. 4rd
>> - Tetsuya: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>> 
>>  3.3 SMAP
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results-01
>> 
>> 3.4 SA46T-AS
>> - Naoki: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-as-00
>> 
>> 4 Summary:
>> - Ole Troan: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>> - All: Day 1 summary & initial conclusions
>> 
>> Tuesday:
>> 
>> 5.1. Stateless address mapping algorithms
>> - Ole port algorithm requirements, selection criteria
>> - Remi: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-stateless-analysis-tool-00
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00
>> -  Jacni Qin: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping-00
>> 
>> 5.2. DS-lite enhancements (4over6, NAT bypass...)
>> 
>> 6. Day 2 & Meeting Conclusions
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Woj.
>> 
>> On 25 September 2011 15:28, Ole Troan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> all,
>> 
>> we're working on many interrelated problems:
>> 
>> 1. DS-lite with A+P (SMAP)
>> 2. Provisioning of IPv4 over DS-lite (4over6)
>> 3. Stateless IPv4 address sharing over IPv6 (4rd, dIVI)
>> 4. Stateless IPv4 over IPv6 tunneling (SA46)
>> 
>> given that the main focus of the interim is 3. let me propose an alternative agenda for Monday.
>> same topics, just different structure.
>> 
>> Monday:
>> 1. Intro, logistics, chairs
>> 
>> 2. Stateless IPv4 address sharing overview and requirements
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-softwire-stateless-requirements-00
>> - Satoru: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00
>> - Wojciech: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6-03
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results-01
>> 
>> 2.1. dIVI
>> - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>> - Xing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>> 
>> 2.2. 4rd
>> - Tetsuya: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>> 
>> 2.3 Summary:
>> - Ole Troan: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>> - Hui Deng: Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>> 
>> 2.4. Stateless address mapping algorithms
>> - Ole port algorithm requirements, selection criteria
>> - Remi: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-stateless-analysis-tool-00
>> - Xiaohong: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis-00
>> 
>> Tuesday:
>> 3. DS-lite enhancements (4over6, NAT bypass...)
>> 4. Operator-session
>> 5. Conclusions
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Ole
>> 
>>> ===================================================
>>>                    AGENDA
>>> ===================================================
>>> ---------------9/26 Monday 9:00-17:30---------------
>>> 
>>> FIT BUILDING 1-315, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
>>> 
>>> 1.Intro, logistic (30min) - Chairs
>>> 9:00-9:30
>>> Taxonomy, problem space: (stateful/stateless, translation/tunneling, etc.)
>>> Starting point: operator-driven Stateless motivation draft and the
>>> 4-quadrant discussion at Quebec
>>> Goal: have a common terminology
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. Deep Dive (7hours) - Chairs and presenters
>>> Technical dive in all proposal as they stand today
>>> Goal: understand the various proposals according to the common terminology
>>> and how they fit in the problem space
>>> Goal2: Refine terminology/problem space as we go
>>> 
>>> 9:30-10:30 Xiaohong Deng
>>> 1. Architectural considerations of Stateless A+P with a focus on SMAP
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04
>>> 2. DHCPv6 Options for Shared IP Addresses Solutions
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dhcpv6-shared-address-option-00
>>> 
>>> 10:30-10:45 Coffee break
>>> 
>>> 10:45-11:15 Peng Wu
>>> DHCPv4 over IPv6
>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cui-softwire-dhcp-over-tunnel
>>> 
>>> 11:15-12:15 Naoki Matsuhira
>>> Motivation for developing SA46T and SA46T-AS
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-motivation-00
>>> SA46T & SA46T-AS technology dive
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-spec-02
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-as-00
>>> 
>>> --------------- 12:15-13:30 Lunch ---------------
>>> 
>>> 13:30-14:00 Tetsuya Murakami
>>> IPv4 Residual Deployment on IPv6 infrastructure - protocol specification
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd-00
>>> 
>>> 14:00-14:30 Jacni Qin
>>> Stateless Address Mapping for IPv4 Residual Deployment (4rd)
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-addmapping-00
>>> 
>>> 14:30-15:30 Wojciech Dec
>>> 1. Stateless 4Via6 Address Sharing
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dec-stateless-4v6
>>> 2. Stateless port mapping algorithms overview
>>> 
>>> 15:30-15:45Coffee break
>>> 
>>> 15:45-16:15 Qiong Sun
>>> Lightweight 4over6
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cui-softwire-b4-translated-ds-lite-01
>>> 
>>> 16:15-17:15 Xing Li
>>> 1. dIVI-pd: Dual-Stateless IPv4/IPv6 Translation with Prefix Delegation
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd
>>> 2. dIVI: Dual-Stateless IPv4/IPv6 Translation
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi
>>> 
>>> 17:30-21:00 Socail Event (depart at FIT West Lobby at 17:30)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------- Tuesday 8:30-17:30 ---------------
>>> 
>>> 8:30-9:00 CERNET Operation Center tour (FIT 1-101, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY)
>>> 
>>> FIT BUILDING 1-315, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
>>> 
>>> 9:00-10:00 Gang Chen
>>> 1. 4via6 Stateless Translation
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00
>>> 2. Prefix Delegation in 4V6
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-softwire-4v6-pd-00.txt
>>> 
>>> 10:00-10:30 Xiaohong Deng
>>> DS-Lite AFTR NAT Bypass: Co-located B4 and NAT Model
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-zhou-softwire-b4-nat-02.txt
>>> 
>>> 10:30-10:45 Coffee break
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 3.Invited talks from operators (90min)
>>> Operator's perspective
>>> 
>>> 10:45-11:15 Satoru Matsushima
>>> An operator's view, address mapping in particular with our cases
>>> 
>>> 11:15-11:45 Xing Li
>>> The operational requiements and the experience of the single and dual
>>> stateless translation concerning CERNET (IPv4) and CNGI-CERNET2 (IPv6).
>>> 
>>> 11:45-12:15 ChongfengXie
>>> ChinaTelecom
>>> 
>>> --------------- 12:15-13:30 Lunch ---------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FIT BUILDING 1-515, TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY
>>> 
>>> 4.Divide& conquer (2 hours)
>>> Map technologies into problem space
>>> Goal: analyze overlaps & differences
>>> 
>>> 13:30-14:00 Ole Troan
>>> Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>>> 
>>> 14:00-14:30 Linjian Song
>>> Head compression
>>> 
>>> 14:30-15:00 Hui Deng
>>> Comparision between encapsulation and translation
>>> 
>>> 15:00-15:30 Ole Troan
>>> Port mapping rules
>>> 
>>> 15:30-16:00 Rémi Després
>>> Port mapping rules
>>> 
>>> 16:00-16:30 Coffee break
>>> 
>>> 5. Path forward (1 hour)
>>> 16:30-17:30
>>> Goal: evolution of technologies, integration with existing mechanism, gap
>>> analysis
>>> Goal: winnow down list of candidates
>>> Chairs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alain and Yong
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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