Re: [Softwires] WG Review: Recharter of Softwires (softwire)

Yong Cui <yong@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn> Thu, 21 April 2011 01:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Softwires] WG Review: Recharter of Softwires (softwire)
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A couple of comments below.

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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Softwires] WG Review: Recharter of Softwires (softwire)

>A modified charter has been submitted for the Softwires (softwire) working
>group in the Internet Area of the IETF.  The IESG has not made any
>determination as yet.  The modified charter is provided below for
>informational purposes only.  Please send your comments to the IESG
>mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday, April 26, 2011.
>
>
>Softwires (softwire)
>**DRAFT 2011-04-14** (v03)
>--------------------
>Current Status: Active
>
> Chairs:
>     Alain Durand <adurand@juniper.net>
>     Yong Cui <cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn>
>
> Internet Area Directors:
>     Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>
>     Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
>
> Internet Area Advisor:
>     Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>
>
> Mailing Lists:
>     General Discussion: softwires@ietf.org
>     To Subscribe:       softwires-request@ietf.org
>     Archive:     
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/softwires/current/maillist.html
>
>Description of Working Group:
>
>  The Softwires Working Group is specifying the standardization of
>  discovery, control and encapsulation methods for connecting IPv4
>  networks across IPv6 networks and IPv6 networks across IPv4 networks
>  in a way that will encourage multiple, inter-operable
>  implementations.
>
>  For various reasons, native IPv4 and/or IPv6 transport may not be
>  available in all cases, and there is a need to tunnel IPv4 in IPv6
>  or IPv6 in IPv4 to cross a part of the network which is not IPv4 or
>  IPv6 capable. The Softwire Problem Statement, RFC 4925, identifies
>  two distinct topological scenarios that the WG will provide
>  solutions for: "Hubs and Spokes" and "Mesh." In the former case,
>  hosts or "stub" networks are attached via individual,
>  point-to-point, IPv4 over IPv6 or IPv6 over IPv4 softwires to a
>  centralized Softwire Concentrator. In the latter case (Mesh),
>  network islands of one Address Family (IPv4 or IPv6) are connected
>  over a network of another Address Family via point to multi-point
>  softwires among Address family Border Routers (AFBRs).
>
>  The WG will reuse existing technologies as much as possible and only
>  when necessary, create additional protocol building blocks.
>
>  For generality, all base Softwires encapsulation mechanisms should
>  support all combinations of IP versions over one other (IPv4 over
>  IPv6, IPv6 over IPv4, IPv4 over IPv4, IPv6 over IPv6). IPv4 to IPv6
>  translation mechanisms (NAT-PT), new addressing schemes, and block
>  address assignments are out of scope. DHCP options developed in this
>  working group will be reviewed jointly with the DHC WG.  RADIUS
>  attributes developed in this working group will be reviewed jointly
>  with the RADEXT WG.  The MIB Doctors directorate will be asked to
>  review any MIB modules developed in the SOFTWIRE working group.  BGP
>  and other routing and signaling protocols developed in this group
>  will be reviewed jointly with the proper working groups and other
>  workings that may take interest (e.g. IDR, L3VPN, PIM, LDP, SAAG,
>  etc).
>
>  The specific work areas for this working group are:
>
>  1. Developments for Mesh softwires topology; the Mesh topology work
>     will be reviewed in the l3vpn and idr WGs
>     - multicast
>     - MIB module
>
>  2. Developments for 6rd:
>     - multicast
>     - operational specification
>     - RADIUS option for 6rd server
>     - MIB module
>
>  3. Developments for Dual-Stack Lite (DS-Lite):
>     - multicast
>     - operational specification
>     - RADIUS option for AFTR
>     - proxy extensions; GI-DS-Lite; DS-Lite with no NAT or NAT on the
>       B4 element

Change "DS-Lite with no NAT or NAT on the B4 element" to "No NAT on AFTR"

>     - MIB module
>
>  4. Developments for stateless legacy IPv4 carried over IPv6
>     - develop a solution motivation document to be published as an
>       RFC
>     - develop a protocol specification response to the solution
>motivation
>       document; this work item will not be taken through WG last call
>       until the solution motivation document has been published
>
>  5. Finalize discovery and configuration mechanisms for a gateway to
>     use DS-Lite or 6rd; these discovery and configuration mechanisms
>     must take into a account other operating environments such as
>     dual-stack and tunneling mechanisms not defined by the softwire
>     WG.  Development of new mechanisms will involve the dhc and/or
>     v6ops WGs as appropriate
>
>Other work items would require WG approval and rechartering.
>
>Goals and Milestones:
>Apr 2011 Submit DS-lite RADIUS option for Proposed Standard
>Apr 2011 Adopt DS-lite operational document as WG document
>Jul 2011 Submit 6rd RADIUS option for Proposed Standard
>Jul 2011 Submit GI DS-lite for Proposed Standard
>Jul 2011 Adopt B4NAT as WG document

Replace the item on B4NAT to the following two lines:
Jul 2011 Adopt DS-Lite without NAT as WG document
Jul 2011 Adopt DHCPv4 over tunnel as WG document
 
>Aug 2011 Adopt 6rd operational document as WG document
>Aug 2011 Adopt Multicast extensions document as WG document
>Aug 2011 Submit DS-lite operational document for Informational
>Sep 2011 Submit B4NAT for Informational

Again, replace the item on B4NAT to the following two lines:
Sep 2011 Submit DS-Lite without NAT for Informational
Sep 2011 Adopt DHCPv4 over tunnel for Proposed Standard


Thanks,

Yong

>Nov 2011 Submit Multicast extensions document for Informational
>Nov 2011 Submit 6rd operational document for Informational
>Nov 2011 Adopt 6rd MIB module as WG document
>Nov 2011 Adopt DS-lite MIB module as WG document
>Nov 2011 Adopt Mesh topology MIB module as WG document
>Nov 2012 Submit 6rd MIB module for Proposed Standard
>Nov 2012 Submit DS-lite MIB module for Proposed Standard
>Nov 2012 Submit Mesh topology MIB module for Proposed Standard
>
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