Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Mon, 25 May 2020 03:32 UTC

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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH
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Ketan,

Please consider an operator who:

- Wants a way to steer IPv6 packets through a specified path that includes many nodes (>8)
- Does not want any of the following:
	- A new VPN encapsulation technique
	- A new service function chaining technique
	- Network programming
	- MPLS and uSID
	- To encoding instructions in IPv6 addresses.

These operators want a compact routing header, nothing more.

                                                                           Ron


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Subject: RE: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

[SNIP]

I am looking for explanation of the "other ways" that CRH can be used (i.e. those outside the Spring architecture). I am trying to understand from the authors what would be the applicability of that solution, it's use-cases and it's requirements. That is what, I believe, will help us evaluate the CRH proposal in the context of this working call. That will help us answer these questions like the scope of the SID, 32-bit or 16-bit or something else and what the CRH-FIB is going to turn out like.


[SNIP]
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